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	Comments on: Why &#8216;Star Trek Into Darkness&#8217; Suggests J.J. Abrams Needs To Leave His Mystery Box Alone For A While	</title>
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		By: screenplayhouse		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034; But the twist in &#034;Star Trek Into Darkness&#034; doesn&#x27;t seem to serve much purpose beyond creating a mystery for the sake of mystery. And beyond that, it actively hurts the movie as a whole. Because rather than developing a new take on the classic villain, Abrams and the writers simply drop him into the middle of the movie, and let Leonard Nimoy explain, not that clearly, who he is. The result is a villain who feels positively anaemic, not least if, like most of the target audience, you haven&#x27;t seen the original series or &#x27;Wrath of Khan,&#x27; and only have the vaguest sense of who the character is.&#034;

Exactly right.  If the point of this film was to brag it was a Khan remake, but you have to keep it secret that it was -- what&#x27;s the point?  I think they were so embarrassed at their inability to generate a new idea they hid from the fans they were recycling content.

Personally -- there&#x27;s nothing more frustrating than waiting all these years to get some &#x27;new&#x27; Trek only to be delivered a strained remake.  It was entertaining, yes, but the surprise could have been much BIGGER and much BETTER.  

If I may suggest one such story.

Suppose the trailers plainly revealed a Montelbanesque Khan.  And you saw Elder Spock warning he&#x27;s the most dangerous adversary they&#x27;d ever met.  So the preview would pitch remake.  They&#x27;d even show Spock scream &#x27;Khan!!!!&#034; in the preview.

Right off the bat -- my expectations would have been lowered.  Oh, I see... yet another Khan like story (WRATH OF KHAN, NEMESIS, STAR TREK 2009).  So I&#x27;d hear it was full of action and fun and surprises -- so disappointed me would go just for fun.

When I get to the cinema, sure enough, there&#x27;s Khan wreaking havoc.  But he&#x27;s not so evil in this universe.  As Abrams demonstrated, he&#x27;s just pissed at being doublecrossed&#x2F;used by Peter Weller.  And so Khan would help end Weller&#x2F;Dreadnought and we&#x27;d fell -- wow -- this is a different universe.  Khan might even suggest there&#x27;s a place for him in humanity now.

We Roddenberry types would be all hopeful.  Until someone drops Khan within the first 45 minutes.  But who?  It&#x27;s at this point you reveal that one (or more) of the other cryogenic types have already awakened.  That Khan has a wife or sister.  And whoever SHE is --

-- she&#x27;s a serious bitch.  Her name is Kane Noonien-Singh.  (In the preview, when Spock screams &#x27;Khan!!!!&#x27;... he&#x27;s really scream &#x27;Kane!!!!&#x27; from later within this story.)

Pardon me if this comes off as misogynesitc.  Not like me at all.  What I&#x27;m doing is breaking the &#x27;male&#x27; bad guy role and hopefully making the story NEW.  And perhaps Kane is deceitful about her aspirations at first.  Perhaps Kane could have been a love interest for Kirk.  Winning him over the way Khan won them over... only to flip.  In fact maybe the audience thinks she&#x27;s way nicer than Khan and so it utterly flabbergasted when she turns out to be evil.  Kane could have also been planted to come back a few features later.

This type of idea would have been fresh.  Fresher would have been abandoning any sense of Khan altogether.  But that seems beyond Abrams and pals.

I wish it wasn&#x27;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot; But the twist in &quot;Star Trek Into Darkness&quot; doesn&#x27;t seem to serve much purpose beyond creating a mystery for the sake of mystery. And beyond that, it actively hurts the movie as a whole. Because rather than developing a new take on the classic villain, Abrams and the writers simply drop him into the middle of the movie, and let Leonard Nimoy explain, not that clearly, who he is. The result is a villain who feels positively anaemic, not least if, like most of the target audience, you haven&#x27;t seen the original series or &#x27;Wrath of Khan,&#x27; and only have the vaguest sense of who the character is.&quot;</p>
<p>Exactly right.  If the point of this film was to brag it was a Khan remake, but you have to keep it secret that it was &#8212; what&#x27;s the point?  I think they were so embarrassed at their inability to generate a new idea they hid from the fans they were recycling content.</p>
<p>Personally &#8212; there&#x27;s nothing more frustrating than waiting all these years to get some &#x27;new&#x27; Trek only to be delivered a strained remake.  It was entertaining, yes, but the surprise could have been much BIGGER and much BETTER.  </p>
<p>If I may suggest one such story.</p>
<p>Suppose the trailers plainly revealed a Montelbanesque Khan.  And you saw Elder Spock warning he&#x27;s the most dangerous adversary they&#x27;d ever met.  So the preview would pitch remake.  They&#x27;d even show Spock scream &#x27;Khan!!!!&quot; in the preview.</p>
<p>Right off the bat &#8212; my expectations would have been lowered.  Oh, I see&#8230; yet another Khan like story (WRATH OF KHAN, NEMESIS, STAR TREK 2009).  So I&#x27;d hear it was full of action and fun and surprises &#8212; so disappointed me would go just for fun.</p>
<p>When I get to the cinema, sure enough, there&#x27;s Khan wreaking havoc.  But he&#x27;s not so evil in this universe.  As Abrams demonstrated, he&#x27;s just pissed at being doublecrossed&#x2F;used by Peter Weller.  And so Khan would help end Weller&#x2F;Dreadnought and we&#x27;d fell &#8212; wow &#8212; this is a different universe.  Khan might even suggest there&#x27;s a place for him in humanity now.</p>
<p>We Roddenberry types would be all hopeful.  Until someone drops Khan within the first 45 minutes.  But who?  It&#x27;s at this point you reveal that one (or more) of the other cryogenic types have already awakened.  That Khan has a wife or sister.  And whoever SHE is &#8212;</p>
<p>&#8212; she&#x27;s a serious bitch.  Her name is Kane Noonien-Singh.  (In the preview, when Spock screams &#x27;Khan!!!!&#x27;&#8230; he&#x27;s really scream &#x27;Kane!!!!&#x27; from later within this story.)</p>
<p>Pardon me if this comes off as misogynesitc.  Not like me at all.  What I&#x27;m doing is breaking the &#x27;male&#x27; bad guy role and hopefully making the story NEW.  And perhaps Kane is deceitful about her aspirations at first.  Perhaps Kane could have been a love interest for Kirk.  Winning him over the way Khan won them over&#8230; only to flip.  In fact maybe the audience thinks she&#x27;s way nicer than Khan and so it utterly flabbergasted when she turns out to be evil.  Kane could have also been planted to come back a few features later.</p>
<p>This type of idea would have been fresh.  Fresher would have been abandoning any sense of Khan altogether.  But that seems beyond Abrams and pals.</p>
<p>I wish it wasn&#x27;t.</p>
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		By: jimjeff		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The premise of taking characters like Kirk, Spock and the rest of the Enterprise crew, and the original actors who made them icons, and replacing them is challenging enough. But then to erase 50 years of Star Trek history because you believe you could do it all over again and make it better takes huge, well, you know.  How does it work, especially when this new series continues to reference the key great moments from the original crew. (Original Spock died saving the ship and came back. This time Kirk did it. Original Kirk screamed &#034;Kahn!&#034; this time Spock did it.) 
It is almost as if someone is saying Abrams vision of the Star Trek universe is better than Roddenberry&#x27;s. If that is true then why not create a new crew to continue the adventure? Why expect fans to buy into replacements. You build on success you don&#x27;t erase it or try to redo it.

The new Spock is the only good character in the movie. He could have been the original Spock&#x27;s son and Kirk could have been a clone of the original Kirk (Shatner). The other &#034;stars&#034; of the Enterprise crew are just plain hard to watch. you didn&#x27;t have to change the timeline to get a new doctor, engineer, communications officer, etc. They could have been their own personalities instead of trying to be characters Star Trek fans have grown to love since the 1960s.
The tech in this movie is the most advanced of any and therefore the story should have taken place after &#034;The Next Generation&#034; series. At least then you could bring in Picard and Riker in flashbacks along with Nimoy. tying everything together and making this a must see for Trekkies. Instead this speaks to a totally new generation that has no link to the past.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The premise of taking characters like Kirk, Spock and the rest of the Enterprise crew, and the original actors who made them icons, and replacing them is challenging enough. But then to erase 50 years of Star Trek history because you believe you could do it all over again and make it better takes huge, well, you know.  How does it work, especially when this new series continues to reference the key great moments from the original crew. (Original Spock died saving the ship and came back. This time Kirk did it. Original Kirk screamed &quot;Kahn!&quot; this time Spock did it.)<br />
It is almost as if someone is saying Abrams vision of the Star Trek universe is better than Roddenberry&#x27;s. If that is true then why not create a new crew to continue the adventure? Why expect fans to buy into replacements. You build on success you don&#x27;t erase it or try to redo it.</p>
<p>The new Spock is the only good character in the movie. He could have been the original Spock&#x27;s son and Kirk could have been a clone of the original Kirk (Shatner). The other &quot;stars&quot; of the Enterprise crew are just plain hard to watch. you didn&#x27;t have to change the timeline to get a new doctor, engineer, communications officer, etc. They could have been their own personalities instead of trying to be characters Star Trek fans have grown to love since the 1960s.<br />
The tech in this movie is the most advanced of any and therefore the story should have taken place after &quot;The Next Generation&quot; series. At least then you could bring in Picard and Riker in flashbacks along with Nimoy. tying everything together and making this a must see for Trekkies. Instead this speaks to a totally new generation that has no link to the past.</p>
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		By: Trek Fan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trek Fan]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Kahn is NOT a Caucasian Englishman!  He is an olive-skinned Sikh Warrior!  Kudos to Ricardo Montoban.   If Star Trek needs a villain for it&#x27;s next movie,  Just imagine the scene cuts to an icy class M planet and camera zooms to the other side of the planet which is barren except for a deserted Di-lithium cracking station.  We all know which planet I&#x27;m talking about!  Pan out a couple of miles to a valley with a giant boulder.  The boulder gets pushed up and guess who jumps out pissed off at everyone, eyes all aglow!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Kahn is NOT a Caucasian Englishman!  He is an olive-skinned Sikh Warrior!  Kudos to Ricardo Montoban.   If Star Trek needs a villain for it&#x27;s next movie,  Just imagine the scene cuts to an icy class M planet and camera zooms to the other side of the planet which is barren except for a deserted Di-lithium cracking station.  We all know which planet I&#x27;m talking about!  Pan out a couple of miles to a valley with a giant boulder.  The boulder gets pushed up and guess who jumps out pissed off at everyone, eyes all aglow!</p>
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		By: stepfordwife		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You obviously are bitter. This movie was GREAT!! It was so fun and entertaining I went twice in a weekend. Everyone I talk to loves it!! It seems you had to have something that sounds academic to say so this review can be viewed as art--it&#x27;s obviously making way too much out of a fun action movie that is a great show for everyone. Give me a break. Go see it again then think about your bashing of JJ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously are bitter. This movie was GREAT!! It was so fun and entertaining I went twice in a weekend. Everyone I talk to loves it!! It seems you had to have something that sounds academic to say so this review can be viewed as art&#8211;it&#x27;s obviously making way too much out of a fun action movie that is a great show for everyone. Give me a break. Go see it again then think about your bashing of JJ.</p>
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		By: bohmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bohmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I get what he want for the audience but maybe we&#x27;re in a different place right now...the 80&#x27;s doesn&#x27;t work in the internet era. We will anticipate the movie release the way we want and you can&#x27;t make a big surprise with franchises such as Star Trek and Star Wars where the fans are we too much obsessed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get what he want for the audience but maybe we&#x27;re in a different place right now&#8230;the 80&#x27;s doesn&#x27;t work in the internet era. We will anticipate the movie release the way we want and you can&#x27;t make a big surprise with franchises such as Star Trek and Star Wars where the fans are we too much obsessed.</p>
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		By: ska-triumph		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This mystery box is looking more like a paper square.

A new timeline established in 2009 should&#x27;ve just meant to go as &#034;wild&#034; as they could with decades of OTHER, less iconic, stories in the pantheon. Geez, I&#x27;d been more impressed if HARRISON said &#034;My name isssss PICARD.&#034; That would be a WTF moment. But to weigh this sci-fi-grafted action flick to TWOK was brain-dead.

While I can&#x27;t pretend that I liked Orci &#038; Kurtzman&#x27;s PEOPLE LIKE US - it read with much more weight than it shot - at least they had and did a project that required no VFX or tentpole marketing. Some straight-forward family drama that required some character depth and motivation.

This is a dream, of course, but JJA shouldn&#x27;t wait until he&#x27;s in his 60s to do something relatively small - maybe even quiet - with more realism and less lens flares.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This mystery box is looking more like a paper square.</p>
<p>A new timeline established in 2009 should&#x27;ve just meant to go as &quot;wild&quot; as they could with decades of OTHER, less iconic, stories in the pantheon. Geez, I&#x27;d been more impressed if HARRISON said &quot;My name isssss PICARD.&quot; That would be a WTF moment. But to weigh this sci-fi-grafted action flick to TWOK was brain-dead.</p>
<p>While I can&#x27;t pretend that I liked Orci &amp; Kurtzman&#x27;s PEOPLE LIKE US &#8211; it read with much more weight than it shot &#8211; at least they had and did a project that required no VFX or tentpole marketing. Some straight-forward family drama that required some character depth and motivation.</p>
<p>This is a dream, of course, but JJA shouldn&#x27;t wait until he&#x27;s in his 60s to do something relatively small &#8211; maybe even quiet &#8211; with more realism and less lens flares.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;But we also hope he doesn&#x27;t spend the next two years going &#x27;Ooh, what&#x27;s the great mystery in &#x27;Star Wars?,&#x27; only to reveal that Chewbacca&#x27;s in it or something.&#034; 

Nail on head. These &#034;mysteries&#034; become the focal point of the marketing, thus building the suspense to heights that the &#034;reveal&#034; can&#x27;t possibly live up to. 

A real surprise would have been to, you know, come up with a compelling *new* villain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;But we also hope he doesn&#x27;t spend the next two years going &#x27;Ooh, what&#x27;s the great mystery in &#x27;Star Wars?,&#x27; only to reveal that Chewbacca&#x27;s in it or something.&quot; </p>
<p>Nail on head. These &quot;mysteries&quot; become the focal point of the marketing, thus building the suspense to heights that the &quot;reveal&quot; can&#x27;t possibly live up to. </p>
<p>A real surprise would have been to, you know, come up with a compelling *new* villain.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rev]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article. It&#x27;s starting to feel like J.J. and Lindelof write &#034;stories&#034; (to put it kindly) via template. There simply HAS to be a reveal, HAS to be a twist. Doesn&#x27;t matter if it moves the story forward, but the &#034;twist&#034; beat seems to be more important to his projects than an actual story or character development.

I honestly doubt I&#x27;d pay a dime to see another movie with Lindelof attached. As a DIS shareholder, I&#x27;m pretty bummed about Abrams directing the new Star Wars. I have no doubt he&#x27;ll start with a &#034;Luke, I&#x27;m your father&#034; reveal and surround it with a bunch of  exposition to drive whatever over-the-top action scenes he dreams up (his action scenes don&#x27;t seem to have much weight beyond the exposition spouted by a character moments before).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. It&#x27;s starting to feel like J.J. and Lindelof write &quot;stories&quot; (to put it kindly) via template. There simply HAS to be a reveal, HAS to be a twist. Doesn&#x27;t matter if it moves the story forward, but the &quot;twist&quot; beat seems to be more important to his projects than an actual story or character development.</p>
<p>I honestly doubt I&#x27;d pay a dime to see another movie with Lindelof attached. As a DIS shareholder, I&#x27;m pretty bummed about Abrams directing the new Star Wars. I have no doubt he&#x27;ll start with a &quot;Luke, I&#x27;m your father&quot; reveal and surround it with a bunch of  exposition to drive whatever over-the-top action scenes he dreams up (his action scenes don&#x27;t seem to have much weight beyond the exposition spouted by a character moments before).</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Only on the net would you have a tiny minority of people complaining about the film being spoiled if they advertised for Kahn in the film. Stating that a character exist in a film isn&#x27;t a spoiler. The point is regular audiences did not respond to the advertising for this film, the box office shows that. I think the writer&#x27;s assessment of the movie&#x27;s BO is overly optimistic as far as the domestic numbers go. This film will certainly make less than the first film. 
Something went wrong and the needless mystery surrounding this film may well have hurt it. The film isn&#x27;t very good, though it is enjoyable. Between its lack of quality, the overly long 4 year wait between films, and competition it looks like the studio will have to essentially relaunch the series. I hope they bring in a new creative team. I love the cast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only on the net would you have a tiny minority of people complaining about the film being spoiled if they advertised for Kahn in the film. Stating that a character exist in a film isn&#x27;t a spoiler. The point is regular audiences did not respond to the advertising for this film, the box office shows that. I think the writer&#x27;s assessment of the movie&#x27;s BO is overly optimistic as far as the domestic numbers go. This film will certainly make less than the first film.<br />
Something went wrong and the needless mystery surrounding this film may well have hurt it. The film isn&#x27;t very good, though it is enjoyable. Between its lack of quality, the overly long 4 year wait between films, and competition it looks like the studio will have to essentially relaunch the series. I hope they bring in a new creative team. I love the cast.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[And if JJ allowed the Khan thing to be shown in trailers this article would have been. &#034;Star Trek Into Darkness gives too much away in trailers&#034;. Just saying]]></description>
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