Comments on: What the Delay of ‘How to Train Your Dragon 3’ Says About the Larger State of DreamWorks Animation https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/ Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Callum Weir https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144638 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144638 Wow I didn't even need to read this whole article because after reading the first four lines I gathered you were obviously an idiot, whose facts are also completely and utterly wrong. First of all the story in the sequel was written extremely well, the expanding characters, the development of news ones and while focusing a lot on the relationship of Hiccup and Toothless never let it negate the other people that were central to the plot. You also mention the disappoint numbers that came in for HTTYD2 and yet if you do any research whatsoever you'll find that since September it has grossed over $600 million, while its budget was around $145 million. So how you got a financial 'loss' from this is beyond me. Either way if your blog had a little truth to it I'd maybe give you a little more respect rather than simply writing whatever garbage you seem to be creating in your head.

]]> By: Jonathan https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144651 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144651 ""Prince of Egypt," an epic retelling of the biblical story of Exodus. Because if it's one thing kids love, it's a animated epic (complete with forgettable Elton John songs) based on stories they probably slept through in Sunday school."

…uh…i think you confused PRINCE OF EGYPT with ROAD TO EL DORADO. Because I'm pretty sure PRINCE OF EGYPT had a pretty memorable song in there somewhere….with like..whitney houston and mariah carey…think it won some awards or something.

]]> By: John Paul Fitch https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144650 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144650 Great article, really enjoyed it. One gripe – I really, really enjoyed HTTYD 2. Took my two kids to see it and was moved by its heart and its stunning cinematography. Thought it might have been the best film (not just animated film) I've seen this year. Can't wait for the next sequel.

]]> By: jawsnnn https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144649 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144649 Reading this article made me realize that DreamWorks has made more memorable movies than pixar. Spirit, Prince of Egypt, How to train your dragon, the original Shrek, Kung Fu Panda – all are movies I enjoyed much much more than the other critically acclaimed fare that Pixar has put out.

]]> By: j https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144648 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144648 Interesting article. Wondered how you calculated that the Croods lost money though? It made $587m worldwide from a reported $135m budget. Even given the vagaries around who makes what % of box office receipts and marketing spend and all the rest, this surely seems like one that turned a profit?

Aardman are no longer at Sony, btw.

]]> By: Jon https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144647 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144647 How to train your dragon 2 pulled in similar figures to thor the dark world that made a lot of money. It was not considered disappointing either…. Poorly researched article

]]> By: lmfao https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144646 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144646 really how to train your dragon 2 is missing story? yet you find out about alphas hiccups mom hiccup becoming chief. there is alot more. its called story and character development since it is a fkn series and not just a single movie story progression is different. usually the first in a series gives the main plot and the second one gives characters more development and set things up for a huge next movie..

people these days are so impatient and have such a small attention span that if every movie/tv show doesnt completely explain everything in that movie/episode they think it sucks. even though 90% of the time a movie series explains more in the next movie they are only aloud to make a movie so long its not their fault. the first how to train your dragon was good but the second one was amazing and sets up for an amazing next movie with more developed characters than before

]]> By: Fae https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144645 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144645 Man, did Jeffery Katzenberg kill your cat or something?
It's hard to read an article that's basically just crapping on pretty much everything dreamworks has done to date.

]]> By: CBo https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144644 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144644 Elton John did not write the songs for Prince of Egypt. Stephen Schwartz did.

]]> By: Nate https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144643 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144643 What a horribly written article. We get it…. you hate Dreamworks. Let us stop pretending that your personal vendettas are news worthy

HTTYD 2 is great, had great reviews, a great story, and did fine overall.

]]> By: Bob https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144642 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144642 Congrats on being 1000% wrong about a movie. I know what you're thinking, too. That being 1000% wrong is impossible? Well, that is how I feel about your review/opinion. That you are so wrong that we need to counter it with better percentages than initially thought

]]> By: chris https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144641 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144641 so is Guillermo Del Toro still part of Dreamworks?

]]> By: Oliver https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144640 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144640 It never ceases to amaze me, Katzenberg being thought of as some sort of animation genius! Never forget — this is the guy who thought 'Pocahontas' was going to be a bigger and better movie than 'The Lion King'.

]]> By: Alexandria https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144639 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144639 I love how the idiot who wrote this horrid article got all his fact wrong and still thinks he means something. This is all bogus information and I will say here and now that the reason HTTYD3 has been pushed back a year has nothing to do with anything mentioned on this article. The movies mentioned have each surpassed the estimated gross projected and will continue to do so. I can't go in to details over the matter but rest assure this article is false and the movies you have come to love will be here as soon as possible.

Alexandria Marianette "Junior Animator, Pixar Division"

]]> By: john https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144625 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144625 I wanted to say the first HTTYD 1 came out at 2010 sorry

]]> By: Matt Shine https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144637 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144637 HTTYD 2 was a victim of just a horrible year at the box office, not due to writing or anything intrinsic. In fact, if anything, it has done very well.

If you look at Box Office Mojo you can see that on any given day, it is beating the daily numbers of movies like Transformers 4 and other, far newer, hits. They just had spectacular openings that have given them unassailable leads, but none have had the long legs of Dragon 2, and so Dragons is gaining ground. I firmly believe that if they keep it in the theaters much longer, it would eventually over take them domestically.

As for what the delay means, I think it is evidence that DreamWorks is thinking like the author of this article. They see it's 175 million domestic receipts (so far) as being somehow a disappointment as the original did around 225 domestically. That 50 million difference in domestic box office has them ignoring the fact that the original HTTYD only grossed 490 odd million total, and this is already over 600. When all is said and done, I see HTTYD 2 ending around 700, and that is by no means a "failure".

]]> By: J.R. Hammerer https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144636 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144636 Two things:

1) The songs in "The Prince of Egypt" were written by Stephen Schwartz, not Elton John. However, Elton did write the songs for Dreamworks' "The Road to El Dorado" with Tim Rice.

2) The last Aardman movie Dreamworks released wasn't "Wallace & Gromit", but "Flushed Away".

]]> By: tzs https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144635 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144635 If you are going to mention Katzenberg rushing "Antz" to try to screw over Disney/Pixar, you should probably also mention Eisner at Disney who made the first moves, scheduling "A Bug's Life" to screw with "Prince of Egypt"'s originally announced release date, and also getting the Disney board to not pay Katzenberg a bunch of money they owed him.

So, basically, Eisner tries to screw Katzenburg, using Pixar's movie as a tool (and Pixar apparently did not really object to this). Katzenburg counter-screws with "Antz".

As far as the money goes, Katzenburg sued Disney. Disney agreed to settlement, and paid Katzenburg $240 million. That gives a pretty good idea of just how badly Eisner had tried to screw Katzenberg.

]]> By: YouTube https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144634 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144634 I believe whoever saying HTTYD2 is SuccessfulBox office your Right. How to train your Dragon 2. Is still playing for the (Italy) foreign Box office. Plus China made HTTYD2 box office succes which is A wow!!. So HTTYD2 is the Most successful film to Gross than the First. I believe HTTYD3 will plan a great story on June 9th 2017 and DreamWorks will Plan a HTTYD4 after the third movie ending.

]]> By: Anonymous https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144633 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144633 This makes me quite sad. I\’ve loved DreamWorks ever since I was a child, and to see it going it to disarray is quite upsetting, especially since I quite enjoyed HTTYD 2. I liked it much more than the original. They need to stop focusing on remaking the really old or overused movies, however, that\’s where they\’re losing profit. Madagascar has gone on long enough. Focus on the newer projects. Rise of the Guardians was met with a warm welcome. Hmm…

]]> By: TJR https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144632 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144632 I also thought httyd 2 was a wonderful story I am curious do you have some particular animosity to dreamworks for some reason ya they have had a tough couple of years but so have almost all of the Movie companies out there I know Disney has had quite a few movies they have put out that are not exactly bringing in the big bucks. I think maybe you should try and take a step back and look at the big picture to coin a phrase "you cannot see the forest for the trees."

]]> By: H https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144631 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144631 Interesting article, however the comment of saying HTTYD2 had disappointing numbers is false, as they did triple there profits out of both the film with number 2 making more of those profits, while this argument shows a great deal of credibility, it shows a great deal of almost anguish for dreamworks as being a solid if not better rival than Pixar, because of this and the severe enthralment of emotion in the article is does lack in validity, though the points made are valid, I can\’to bring myself to fully accept this as strong argument that dreaworks is on a downwards spiral and how most of there films are less than par.

]]> By: bahlu https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144630 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144630 Httyd 1 & 2, loved them, rise of the guardians great show, monsters vs aliens laughed my arse off, kung fu panda, all shreks, all madagascars and the croods are imaginative, fun movies to watch. Seen them all dozens of times, and still sit down and watch them every time the kids turn on the boxee.

]]> By: Charlotte https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144629 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144629 The httyd series is basd

]]> By: Charlotte https://staging2.theplaylist.net/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-20140903/#comment-144628 Mon, 23 May 2016 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2014/more/uncategorized/what-the-delay-of-how-to-train-your-dragon-3-says-about-the-larger-state-of-dreamworks-animation-272942/#comment-144628 The httyd films are based on the books by Cressida Cowell, and there will always be a story there. I haven\’t read them but I hope we see Hiccup and the rest of the Berk lot grow up.

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