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	Comments on: The Road To &#8216;Drive&#8217;: The Films Of Nicolas Winding Refn	</title>
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		By: Christopher Bell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A bunch of us put Valhalla on our year-enders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bunch of us put Valhalla on our year-enders.</p>
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		By: Kathleen Walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen Walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Josh- from the man himself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3gpSQZM-I]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh- from the man himself<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3gpSQZM-I" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3gpSQZM-I</a></p>
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		By: Josh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the love of christ, can someone please tell me how to pronounce the man\&#039;s name? I can only watch his films and mentally read his name as \&quot;Nicholas Wine-ding Reffin\&quot; for so long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the love of christ, can someone please tell me how to pronounce the man\&#8217;s name? I can only watch his films and mentally read his name as \&#8221;Nicholas Wine-ding Reffin\&#8221; for so long.</p>
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		By: scribe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scribe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[thanks erik]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks erik</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I\&#039;m with you samir. I think the writers undervalued the worth of Valhalla big time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I\&#8217;m with you samir. I think the writers undervalued the worth of Valhalla big time.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh don\&#039;t worry Mr. Bell, I have nothing against you or the rest of the staff. I just find it ironic that film criticism and analysis is considered boring even here of all places.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh don\&#8217;t worry Mr. Bell, I have nothing against you or the rest of the staff. I just find it ironic that film criticism and analysis is considered boring even here of all places.</p>
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		By: Boyd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I watched Bronson after reading about it here and at slashfilm.com and really liked it. I saw Drive this weekend and will probable watch it again this week. Thank you, for this great breakdown of his films. I appreciate it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched Bronson after reading about it here and at slashfilm.com and really liked it. I saw Drive this weekend and will probable watch it again this week. Thank you, for this great breakdown of his films. I appreciate it.</p>
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		By: Christopher Bell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Bell]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey no need to drag us into this I\&#039;ll have to know that I\&#039;m zzzzzzzzzzzz]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey no need to drag us into this I\&#8217;ll have to know that I\&#8217;m zzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well thanks JoJo. In fact I am, because, believe it or not, it\&#039;s quite possible to balance private interests and social skills. You may as well accuse The Playlist\&#039;s staff of same, because they sure spent a lot more time writing about this guy than I did. All I did was Link and summarize an article I think adds a lot to the discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thanks JoJo. In fact I am, because, believe it or not, it\&#8217;s quite possible to balance private interests and social skills. You may as well accuse The Playlist\&#8217;s staff of same, because they sure spent a lot more time writing about this guy than I did. All I did was Link and summarize an article I think adds a lot to the discussion.</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know some people are probably tired of your Refn/Drive/Gosling coverage, but I think it\&#039;s great.  Nice write-up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know some people are probably tired of your Refn/Drive/Gosling coverage, but I think it\&#8217;s great.  Nice write-up.</p>
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		By: samir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[samir]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I\&#039;m probably alone in this, but I thought Valhalla Rising was a near-masterpiece. Really spectacular and the closest anyone has ever gotten to a Terrence Malick horror film.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I\&#8217;m probably alone in this, but I thought Valhalla Rising was a near-masterpiece. Really spectacular and the closest anyone has ever gotten to a Terrence Malick horror film.</p>
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		By: JoJo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoJo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good god, Michael...You sound like you\&#039;d be a real blast to hang out with at a party...zzzzzzzzzzzz]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good god, Michael&#8230;You sound like you\&#8217;d be a real blast to hang out with at a party&#8230;zzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is all you really need to understand the man:

http://occupiedterritories.tumblr.com/post/10424020463/masochism-sadism-and-the-perverse-pleasure-of-the

A summary: Nicolas Winding Refn loves masochism. He himself has admitted to being a \&quot;fetish director,\&quot; which is to say things find their way into his films because they appeal to him in one way or another. One of the most fascinating themes in his career is masochism and the way his characters deal with it, Ryan Gosling\&#039;s Driver being the most recent and obvious masochist. Drive is best understood through this lens rather than the usual \&quot;Gosling is a sociopath\&quot; reductive nonsense. In fact, though the essay only looks at Drive, it can be applied to almost any of his features in one way or another, particularly in relation to that quote about his characters needing to suffer to reach what they want. 

Further food for thought: I also found the narrative rejection of Christina Hendricks\&#039; Blanche significant, as there seems to be a (rather odd) move in Drive (and independent American cinema in general) away from the overtly sexy and feminine and toward a more androgynous and somewhat desexualized conception of female beauty, that beauty seemingly linked with a pre-sexual conception of the phallic woman/punishing mother as outlined in the essay.

Nicolas Winding Refn\&#039;s filmography is interesting but unwieldy and incomplete so far. He has some coherent ideas and is learning to process them admirably, but he\&#039;s still a long way from top auteur status. He is a boy on the way to manhood both psychologically and artistically, much like his generally infantile male protagonists. Now it\&#039;s up to us to wait and see if/when he gets there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all you really need to understand the man:</p>
<p><a href="http://occupiedterritories.tumblr.com/post/10424020463/masochism-sadism-and-the-perverse-pleasure-of-the" rel="nofollow ugc">http://occupiedterritories.tumblr.com/post/10424020463/masochism-sadism-and-the-perverse-pleasure-of-the</a></p>
<p>A summary: Nicolas Winding Refn loves masochism. He himself has admitted to being a \&#8221;fetish director,\&#8221; which is to say things find their way into his films because they appeal to him in one way or another. One of the most fascinating themes in his career is masochism and the way his characters deal with it, Ryan Gosling\&#8217;s Driver being the most recent and obvious masochist. Drive is best understood through this lens rather than the usual \&#8221;Gosling is a sociopath\&#8221; reductive nonsense. In fact, though the essay only looks at Drive, it can be applied to almost any of his features in one way or another, particularly in relation to that quote about his characters needing to suffer to reach what they want. </p>
<p>Further food for thought: I also found the narrative rejection of Christina Hendricks\&#8217; Blanche significant, as there seems to be a (rather odd) move in Drive (and independent American cinema in general) away from the overtly sexy and feminine and toward a more androgynous and somewhat desexualized conception of female beauty, that beauty seemingly linked with a pre-sexual conception of the phallic woman/punishing mother as outlined in the essay.</p>
<p>Nicolas Winding Refn\&#8217;s filmography is interesting but unwieldy and incomplete so far. He has some coherent ideas and is learning to process them admirably, but he\&#8217;s still a long way from top auteur status. He is a boy on the way to manhood both psychologically and artistically, much like his generally infantile male protagonists. Now it\&#8217;s up to us to wait and see if/when he gets there.</p>
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