Comments on: Terrence Malick Made An Enemy Out Of James Horner & 7 More Things We Learned About ‘The New World’ https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/ Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:29:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Glass https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93502 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93502 A good movie, but WTF is with that 1990s-History Channel opening credit sequence? That put the audience right to sleep when I first saw it.

I don\’t mean that in a sort of \”blow something up in the first five minutes or you\’ll lose your audience\” kind of way. I mean, what a bland and distracting choice that was. Didn\’t fit the rest of the picture at all. Again, a good movie, but my least favorite of his.

]]> By: rotch https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93513 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93513 Any enemy of James Horner is a friend of mine.

]]> By: dudu https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93512 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93512 I\’ve re-evaluated the film a great deal after watching the extended cut. It\’s an excellent film, and a wonderful portrait of a woman.

]]> By: Daniel https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93511 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93511 Rotch – what did James Horner do to you?

]]> By: rotch https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93510 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93510 @ Daniel

He unleashed \’my heart will go on\’ to the world.

I kid, I like many of Horner\’s scores.

]]> By: actionman https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93509 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93509 James Horner sounds like a MEGA-TOOL.

]]> By: Erik https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93508 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93508 James Horner sounds like a dick and someone with a very narrow view on what a movie should be.

]]> By: starway2001 https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93507 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93507 Trust me. Tree of Life\’s financial backers aren\’t skipping and whistling over that $27M haul.

]]> By: BuntyHoven https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93506 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93506 Horner\’s comments are bizarre. Malick is among the best users of music in film. And the Wagner piece that he badmouths plays over some of the most memorable sequences.

I\’ve listened to a fair amount of Horner\’s score, and aside from quite a nice love theme, it\’s not particularly good. It wouldn\’t surprise me if Malick just didn\’t like Horner\’s score and that\’s why he didn\’t use much of it.

]]> By: The Playlist https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93505 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93505 Thanks to @ rotch for giving us the head\’s up about Plummer. Had read that before, but had totally forgotten about it. We added it to this piece just after it published. Thanks again.

]]> By: James https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93504 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93504 I think the 150 min cut is far and away the best. I saw it in theaters twice. A shame it\’s the most difficult to see now. The only commercial releases of it were as a bonus Digital Copy download with the theatrical cut DVD in the US and as part of an OOP Italian DVD set including both the 150 min and 135 min cuts.

To me the 135 min cut takes all the bad reviews to heart and makes the film overly literal and simplistic. The altered voiceover is a mistake, and one of the key shots of the film – the Inuit girl dancing on the beach in Greenland towards the end, who looks just like Pocahontas – is deleted. The loss of that one shot ruins the whole movie for me. The look on Farrell\’s face as he watches her, realizing everything he left behind and can never recapture, was the soul of the film. Malick at least restored that shot for the final version.

The 172 min cut, on the other hand, rambles all over the place and introduces bizarre jump cuts in many scenes that weren\’t there in either earlier cut. It\’s the closest to the 150 min version though, so definitely better than the 135 min cut.

]]> By: James https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93503 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93503 It would appear Horner simply didn\’t understand Malick\’s use of music because it\’s unconventional. Alexandre Desplat had no such problems working with Malick, or with having much of his score left unused. He realized what an honor it was to have any of his music in a film by such an artist. An infinitely more intelligent man than Horner, it would seem.

]]> By: Savanna https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93491 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93491 James Horner has talent but he recycles so much of his music that there are unintentional references to other movies in many of his scores, very distracting and in a movie like this unforgivable. Better to have left all his music out than to have a quote from Braveheart in the middle of the movie.

]]> By: Kelly https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93501 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93501 It is an incredible film…Not like anything else and it kind of creeps up on you…Horner was wrong, the Mozart and Wagner belong to that picture much more than his score.

]]> By: Edward Davis https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93500 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93500 Annoying is Malick-ites assuming Horner, Plummer and anyone around this genius is wrong. I adore his films, but from all the evidence around he sounds like a bit of a nightmare to work for. But maybe if you know what you\’re getting into it\’s not so bad.

]]> By: BuntyHoven https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93499 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93499 Malick fans will appreciate this: http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/trivia-50-things-you-never-knew-about-terrence-malick.php

I laughed out loud several times.

]]> By: actionman https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93498 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93498 the financial backers of The Tree of Life have all already been paid.

]]> By: cirkusfolk https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93497 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93497 Am I the only one that agrees with Horner? If you are gonna hire a composer and actually want his/her music to be integral to the film, they should have as much access to your vision as possible. You shouldn\’t change the film and scenes around and not tell them, and then cut up the music which was composed specific to the scenes and throw it anywhere you want including the cutting room floor. This will most definately not make for a good patnership. Imagine if Chris Nolan did this with Hans Zimmer. No, they work together to achieve the perfect synthesis. If I recall, Hans Zimmer had a similar problem with The Thin Red Line. He composed over three times the amount of music that was actually used. And what he did score wasn\’t even put to the same images he scored the music to. Sure the director has final creative say, but comon, let them do the job you hired them for.

And I wouldn\’t knock Horner if I were you. He made the best score of all time in my opinion with Legends of the Fall. Then has done outstanding work like Glory, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Field of Dreams, Enemy at the Gates, Titanic etc.

]]> By: carrie https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93496 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93496 i dislike Farrell in this movie,his acting may be good but he has a \”rock&roll; \” vibe who doesn\’t work with his character
the story with Plummer and Horner is interesting

]]> By: MDL https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93495 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93495 It\’s so interesting to read about all these egos working with Malick. He goes his own way but a few people who work with him never figure that out. So naturally they complain. But, man, the results are often great. Wong kar-wai is the same.

]]> By: Pah shu akah o wah https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93494 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93494 Viewing from the point of perspective of one of Dakota blood, one sees how Europeans could have learned so much from us, and chose to consider us inferior, it\’s no wonder we now suffer from global warming, and are tied to foreign oil. We lived with nature, wasted nothing, and spoiled nothing. This film shows how beautiful our lives were, John Smith\’s actual writings echo this.

]]> By: K. Bowen https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93493 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93493 Horner is an idiot.

It doesn\’t surprise me at all that he was replaced by Wagner, et al.

Malick has always moved around the score. He did it with Morricone\’s score on Days of Heaven. How\’d that work out?

]]> By: K. Bowen https://staging2.theplaylist.net/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-20110706/#comment-93492 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2011/more/uncategorized/terrence-malick-made-an-enemy-out-of-james-horner-7-more-things-we-learned-about-the-new-world-117662/#comment-93492 Oh, and the finale of this movie is one of the great five to ten minutes ever shot …. and scored.

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