I have to completely disagree. The fact is, I have heard tons of people make the “unchanged” argument for Luke and it is not an argument at all. I have literally read thousands of reviews and I don’t recall a single one upset that Luke hadn’t changed. No one wanted to see an unchanged Luke.

Now, people did want to see a Luke who had spent his time learning and growing. They wanted to see a Luke who gain a better understanding of the force than the previous jedi. They wanted to see him become the Grand Mater of the Jedi where he understood that there was no dark or light side of the force, but it was all the same force. That is NOT an unchanged Luke.

Now, you may not like that idea and that is fine. Just stop trying to make an argument against the side that doesn’t like the direction of Luke that does not exist.

It’s hyperbole. You’re engaging in film critique. Critique the film.

Don’t go around questioning the moral compass or accusing people of “contemplate killing your significant other, your kids, your nieces and or nephews” of people that disagree with your opinion.

Luke saw Ben’s future and he surely saw the murders he was about to make (… among others, his own father…!). So we can safely assume it was almost like the same evil he was about to destroy. And we know he was too warm-hearted to make this decision finally. The point is, he’s not like someone who would such a thing. There might have been a conflict in him but the Light Side won.

Are you sure those are equally comparable things? A masked mad man who chopped Lukes hand off, built a super weapon that could destroy planets, and who was trying to control the galaxy through a terror campaign of murder and subjecation of star systems, and his nephew who he suspected was going to the dark side of the force. I guess my english isn’t up to this argument. If you think a duel to the death between Luke and Darth Vader is equivelent to Luke trying to kill his nephew in his sleep are the same thing, then yeah, you’re seeing pizza and I’m seeing teriyaki tenders. We are looking at too totally different menus.

Where did I say he was a murderer? I’m certain I called into question is moral compass but not sure where you are reading me calling him a murderer.

I’m laughing, but your response escalated way too quickly.

Buddy: “I disagree with your opinion, and personally found that I liked the film.”

Miles Dyson: “You murderer”

Conversations about fictional made up things really do bring out the best in people.

He almost killed his own father in Episode VI. But he didn’t! The same way he almost killed his nephew, but he wouldn’t! And this choice was taken before Ben woke up.

Be careful when you speak, you might reveal too much about yourself.

“He contemplated” do you contemplate killing your significant other, your kids, your nieces and or nephews? Like legit go into their rooms while they are sleeping, and think should I or shouldn’t I?

If you do, go seek help. The idea that it is in any way shape or form excusable to “contemplate” murdering people is mental and speak volumes about your own moral compass.

I mean you actually wrote “Big Difference” like it is not insane for anyone to stand over a sleeping child and debate if one should or shouldn’t kill them.

It cannot be, it should not be shocking to anyone involved in making TLJ, that, that development has rubbed a good many peope the wrong way.

He didn’t try to kill his nephew in his sleep- he contemplated doing it and then decided not to. Big difference. Plus, as an actual lifelong fan of Star Wars (I was ten when New Hope came out), I am perfectly happy with this plot development and would have been just as happy if he had actually tried to kill him. So please don’t presume to speak on behalf of all SW fans.

I mean are the people living in Hollywood that far removed from reality they can’t see why people would be offened by that choice?

At the end of the day Johnson and company seem ignorant of how filipant the movie is, the mythology is extremely important to people and it just seems like all involved are just rushing through these films, getting them to screen as fast as they can without any BS filter, so they can rake in the dough.