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	Comments on: How &#8216;Return Of The Jedi&#8217; Ruined &#8216;Star Wars&#8217; Forever	</title>
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		By: panley63		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[panley63]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[\&quot;The supposed historical value of ‘Return of the Jedi’ is that it closed out the original trilogy in grand fashion, with a swashbuckling, visually dazzling battle between good and evil\&quot;
I don\&#039;t agree.
 Best regards, Pansy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>\&#8221;The supposed historical value of ‘Return of the Jedi’ is that it closed out the original trilogy in grand fashion, with a swashbuckling, visually dazzling battle between good and evil\&#8221;<br />
I don\&#8217;t agree.<br />
 Best regards, Pansy</p>
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		By: roddymartindale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roddymartindale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 09:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#x27;m not big on ROTJ but I&#x27;ve never understood the &#034;can&#x27;t follow the multiple climaxes&#x27; argument. What exactly is so hard to follow -- a space battle that&#x27;s ostensibly a distraction so the good guys on the moon can bring down the shield, a ground fight with teddy bears where good guys are trying to bring down the shield, and a sword fight on the death star. Each battle having its good and bad guys clearly distinguished.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#x27;m not big on ROTJ but I&#x27;ve never understood the &quot;can&#x27;t follow the multiple climaxes&#x27; argument. What exactly is so hard to follow &#8212; a space battle that&#x27;s ostensibly a distraction so the good guys on the moon can bring down the shield, a ground fight with teddy bears where good guys are trying to bring down the shield, and a sword fight on the death star. Each battle having its good and bad guys clearly distinguished.</p>
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		By: bohmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bohmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 09:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Ewok thing was the big problem with ROTJ. Replace them with something like badass lizards and the movie become a worthy successor of Empire and a great 3rd act on the trilogy. I still liked the movie enough tough. The Vader-Luke short but emotional duel at the end still gives me shivers (special thanks to John Williams). Basically, the past 30 years of Star Wars nerdism is a very long coping process, a difficult withdrawal on how much a kick was Empire. The whole franchise is based on our love for that second act. I do not think Ep VII will replace 30 years of let downs on is own but JJ can sure try. I think Ep VIII will be interesting considering how he dealt with that kind of pressure for Into Darkness. Maybe his experience on Star Trek will work on his favor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ewok thing was the big problem with ROTJ. Replace them with something like badass lizards and the movie become a worthy successor of Empire and a great 3rd act on the trilogy. I still liked the movie enough tough. The Vader-Luke short but emotional duel at the end still gives me shivers (special thanks to John Williams). Basically, the past 30 years of Star Wars nerdism is a very long coping process, a difficult withdrawal on how much a kick was Empire. The whole franchise is based on our love for that second act. I do not think Ep VII will replace 30 years of let downs on is own but JJ can sure try. I think Ep VIII will be interesting considering how he dealt with that kind of pressure for Into Darkness. Maybe his experience on Star Trek will work on his favor.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The proposition that Abrams knows how to make a better film than Return of the Jedi is clearly insane.

And Lucas was DEEPLY involved in Empire. The notion that his back was turned on it is completely incorrect. You should read &#x27;Once Upon A Galaxy: A Journal Of The Making of The Empire Strikes Back&#x27; from 1980.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposition that Abrams knows how to make a better film than Return of the Jedi is clearly insane.</p>
<p>And Lucas was DEEPLY involved in Empire. The notion that his back was turned on it is completely incorrect. You should read &#x27;Once Upon A Galaxy: A Journal Of The Making of The Empire Strikes Back&#x27; from 1980.</p>
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		By: MAL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MAL]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#x27;t agree more. I was 10 when Star Wars came out and it had a huge influence on my cinema sensibilities. growing up. The Empire Strikes Back blew my mind and Return of the Jedi, even at 16, was such a huge disappointment. What happened to the dark, mysterious, brooding and thoughtful direction the story was going in? I was appalled by the lightening from the fingertips and the ease with which Vader threw the emperor down the energy shaft. I really hope the backlash from the prequels, modern sensibilities, and some solid writing and creative sensibilities bring back some of the gravitas introduced in the first two films. After all, it was the sense of danger and potential loss that gave weight to the characters and plot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#x27;t agree more. I was 10 when Star Wars came out and it had a huge influence on my cinema sensibilities. growing up. The Empire Strikes Back blew my mind and Return of the Jedi, even at 16, was such a huge disappointment. What happened to the dark, mysterious, brooding and thoughtful direction the story was going in? I was appalled by the lightening from the fingertips and the ease with which Vader threw the emperor down the energy shaft. I really hope the backlash from the prequels, modern sensibilities, and some solid writing and creative sensibilities bring back some of the gravitas introduced in the first two films. After all, it was the sense of danger and potential loss that gave weight to the characters and plot.</p>
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		By: hank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hank]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Return of the Jedi is fucking awesome, bro. Go watch Drive if you don&#x27;t like it.]]></description>
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		By: Darin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darin]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that Star Wars did decline after Empire Strikes Back. It began to inject silly elements that I was able to ignore to some extent until two scenes that kind of put the nail in the coffin... that being R2-D2 and C-3PO being head first in the sand (har har) and Chewbacca doing the Tarzan cry while swinging on a rope on Endor (that was the worst because that iconic cry has nothing to do with the Star Wars universe).

It&#x27;s small things like that (along with a host of other things) that pulls you out of the environment and reminds you that you&#x27;re now in a silly place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Star Wars did decline after Empire Strikes Back. It began to inject silly elements that I was able to ignore to some extent until two scenes that kind of put the nail in the coffin&#8230; that being R2-D2 and C-3PO being head first in the sand (har har) and Chewbacca doing the Tarzan cry while swinging on a rope on Endor (that was the worst because that iconic cry has nothing to do with the Star Wars universe).</p>
<p>It&#x27;s small things like that (along with a host of other things) that pulls you out of the environment and reminds you that you&#x27;re now in a silly place.</p>
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		By: Bender		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 09:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, three simultanious climaxes are too much. Poor you. I was about five when i saw Return for the first time and was able to follow the story. If it is (in your opinion) hard to follow, maybe the problem lies with you. Star Wars was always intended as light hearted entertainment for kids. Complaining about a happy ending and cute creatures in a fairy tale is like complaining about pasta at an italian resturant. 
I like the happy ending and that all my favourite characters survived. I liked it as a kid and i like it till this day. When i&#x27;m in a bad mood it cheers me up to see that everything can turn out ok for everyone. If Han had died like Kasdan and Ford wanted him to, even you would have been devastated as a child. Maybe this would have &#034;ruined your&#034; childhood, to use a highly overused phrase. I know it would have been a very important element in terms of story telling, but in the end it would have been a giant FU to the kids (the main audience).
Although i gotta say it would be less of a problem if they kill off Han Solo in the new movies. Let Harrison Ford make his peace with the character and let Han die. Raise the stakes from the beginning on and make it interesting again.
Btw. comparing the Ewoks with the Gungans is a crime. The Ewoks are at least no racist stereotype. They are even more badass than these dumbf*cks... There i said it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, three simultanious climaxes are too much. Poor you. I was about five when i saw Return for the first time and was able to follow the story. If it is (in your opinion) hard to follow, maybe the problem lies with you. Star Wars was always intended as light hearted entertainment for kids. Complaining about a happy ending and cute creatures in a fairy tale is like complaining about pasta at an italian resturant.<br />
I like the happy ending and that all my favourite characters survived. I liked it as a kid and i like it till this day. When i&#x27;m in a bad mood it cheers me up to see that everything can turn out ok for everyone. If Han had died like Kasdan and Ford wanted him to, even you would have been devastated as a child. Maybe this would have &quot;ruined your&quot; childhood, to use a highly overused phrase. I know it would have been a very important element in terms of story telling, but in the end it would have been a giant FU to the kids (the main audience).<br />
Although i gotta say it would be less of a problem if they kill off Han Solo in the new movies. Let Harrison Ford make his peace with the character and let Han die. Raise the stakes from the beginning on and make it interesting again.<br />
Btw. comparing the Ewoks with the Gungans is a crime. The Ewoks are at least no racist stereotype. They are even more badass than these dumbf*cks&#8230; There i said it.</p>
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		By: Jar Jar Abrams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jar Jar Abrams]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;George didn&#x27;t think there was any future in dead Han toys.&#034;

...and yet he thought that there was a future in &#x27;space trade federation&#x27; and &#x27;space senator&#x27; toys. You know, for kids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;George didn&#x27;t think there was any future in dead Han toys.&quot;</p>
<p>&#8230;and yet he thought that there was a future in &#x27;space trade federation&#x27; and &#x27;space senator&#x27; toys. You know, for kids.</p>
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		By: Lea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lea]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems like the article tries to create a conversation with the intention of making Episode VII the best it possibly can be. I think that&#x27;s useful. Who knows how public opinion eventually reaches Hollywood writers, but they don&#x27;t live in outer space. 

Episode VII will be a huge event. It draws on three distinct groups of fans: those who saw the first trilogy in the theater, the kids who saw the second trilogy and loved it, and all the kids who watched the Phantom Menace cartoon on TV. (Curious about the animated cartoon, I watched it; and it&#x27;s good. For what it sets out to do, it accomplishes.) 

I imagine the filmmakers working on these projects love the material (okay, Harrison Ford grew tired of the character -- that&#x27;s on the record). The filmmakers bring out the best movie they are capable of; now, how does marketing influence their decisions? That seems to be the main gripe the writer of this review has, that the concerns of storytelling were sacrificed for marketing. Good point -- and Drew Taylor makes it well. Admirably so, because while we will gripe in the comments telling him to grow up, he has the courage to sign his name. The comments writers can avoid any real repercussions of their commentary. 

Speaking to Taylor&#x27;s criticism of marketing, it&#x27;s possible to argue that it was there from the very beginning: Lucas made a deal with the studios that ensured him licensing of toys before Star Wars became a blockbuster. It&#x27;s no secret that Lucas makes the majority of profits from merchandising. Theatrical ticket sales just don&#x27;t make billions of dollars. DVD sales won&#x27;t generate that kind of revenue. Streaming online certainly doesn&#x27;t. The money Lucas made selling toys he plowed that back into moviemaking with the creation of Lucasfilm, Industrial Light and Magic, THX sound. The innovations at ILM lead to nonlinear editing software, and pixel-editing that became Photoshop. And Computer Generated Graphics: we&#x27;re all aware of Pixar&#x27;s beginning as a computer graphics division of Lucasfilm. 

For great stories and characters, sure, maybe a novel, or comic book, will allow more license to create the best possible story. Movies are a very expensive product to create, and due to that expense, they require the creator to have the business savvy to make a licensing deal -- like Lucas did when he secured all rights to merchandise. The toys sales built the studio. One critique of the toys: they become oddly fetishized. But that&#x27;s their status: pop icons. 

For whatever bad that may (see The People vs. George Lucas) (also: Star Wars on Trail) result from being isolated by wealth and power, Lucas handled his power without falling into darkness. The man is a philanthropist. He has created Edutopia and plans to finance a new art museum in San Francisco.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like the article tries to create a conversation with the intention of making Episode VII the best it possibly can be. I think that&#x27;s useful. Who knows how public opinion eventually reaches Hollywood writers, but they don&#x27;t live in outer space. </p>
<p>Episode VII will be a huge event. It draws on three distinct groups of fans: those who saw the first trilogy in the theater, the kids who saw the second trilogy and loved it, and all the kids who watched the Phantom Menace cartoon on TV. (Curious about the animated cartoon, I watched it; and it&#x27;s good. For what it sets out to do, it accomplishes.) </p>
<p>I imagine the filmmakers working on these projects love the material (okay, Harrison Ford grew tired of the character &#8212; that&#x27;s on the record). The filmmakers bring out the best movie they are capable of; now, how does marketing influence their decisions? That seems to be the main gripe the writer of this review has, that the concerns of storytelling were sacrificed for marketing. Good point &#8212; and Drew Taylor makes it well. Admirably so, because while we will gripe in the comments telling him to grow up, he has the courage to sign his name. The comments writers can avoid any real repercussions of their commentary. </p>
<p>Speaking to Taylor&#x27;s criticism of marketing, it&#x27;s possible to argue that it was there from the very beginning: Lucas made a deal with the studios that ensured him licensing of toys before Star Wars became a blockbuster. It&#x27;s no secret that Lucas makes the majority of profits from merchandising. Theatrical ticket sales just don&#x27;t make billions of dollars. DVD sales won&#x27;t generate that kind of revenue. Streaming online certainly doesn&#x27;t. The money Lucas made selling toys he plowed that back into moviemaking with the creation of Lucasfilm, Industrial Light and Magic, THX sound. The innovations at ILM lead to nonlinear editing software, and pixel-editing that became Photoshop. And Computer Generated Graphics: we&#x27;re all aware of Pixar&#x27;s beginning as a computer graphics division of Lucasfilm. </p>
<p>For great stories and characters, sure, maybe a novel, or comic book, will allow more license to create the best possible story. Movies are a very expensive product to create, and due to that expense, they require the creator to have the business savvy to make a licensing deal &#8212; like Lucas did when he secured all rights to merchandise. The toys sales built the studio. One critique of the toys: they become oddly fetishized. But that&#x27;s their status: pop icons. </p>
<p>For whatever bad that may (see The People vs. George Lucas) (also: Star Wars on Trail) result from being isolated by wealth and power, Lucas handled his power without falling into darkness. The man is a philanthropist. He has created Edutopia and plans to finance a new art museum in San Francisco.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is annoying. What, are we complaining about the original trilogy now? Get. Over. It. Return of the Jedi was made in 1983... And you loved it the first time you saw it. Stop letting your fanboy cynicism complicate things]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is annoying. What, are we complaining about the original trilogy now? Get. Over. It. Return of the Jedi was made in 1983&#8230; And you loved it the first time you saw it. Stop letting your fanboy cynicism complicate things</p>
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		By: Jean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Others have said, but I&#x27;ll drive the nail home. Get your panties out of a bunch and grow up.]]></description>
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		By: JD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is complete horseshit.

A. The Prequels are not great but they get better as they went along, until you reach Revenge Of The Sith, which is as good the original trilogy.  And all the Prequel films are good movies.  They&#x27;re all real Star Wars movies.

B.  Revenge Of The Jedi is, in turn, not as good as Empire and Star Wars.  Mainly it&#x27;s the first act at Jabba&#x27;s Palace, which is full of cool ideas badly executed.  (The movie as a whole has, in terms of pacing and narrative, some pretty poor editing.)  But everything from the arrival on Endor to the final battle (which still holds the title of Best Space Battle Ever) is pretty damn good.  It even reaches real greatness.

C. George Lucas is a good writer, and a very good director.   And thank god he basically co-directed JEDI alongside Richard Marquand, auteur of &#034;Defense Of The Realm&#034;, &#034;Jagged Edge&#034;, and &#034;Hearts Of Fire.&#034;  It&#x27;s pretty much the same thing Lucas did on all the Indiana Jones movies, by the way, and Revenge Of The Sith, except there his collaborator was Steven Spielberg.  Slightly better director then Richard Marquand.

C.  Go watch THX-1138, American Graffiti, Kagemusha, Powaqquatsi, and get a life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is complete horseshit.</p>
<p>A. The Prequels are not great but they get better as they went along, until you reach Revenge Of The Sith, which is as good the original trilogy.  And all the Prequel films are good movies.  They&#x27;re all real Star Wars movies.</p>
<p>B.  Revenge Of The Jedi is, in turn, not as good as Empire and Star Wars.  Mainly it&#x27;s the first act at Jabba&#x27;s Palace, which is full of cool ideas badly executed.  (The movie as a whole has, in terms of pacing and narrative, some pretty poor editing.)  But everything from the arrival on Endor to the final battle (which still holds the title of Best Space Battle Ever) is pretty damn good.  It even reaches real greatness.</p>
<p>C. George Lucas is a good writer, and a very good director.   And thank god he basically co-directed JEDI alongside Richard Marquand, auteur of &quot;Defense Of The Realm&quot;, &quot;Jagged Edge&quot;, and &quot;Hearts Of Fire.&quot;  It&#x27;s pretty much the same thing Lucas did on all the Indiana Jones movies, by the way, and Revenge Of The Sith, except there his collaborator was Steven Spielberg.  Slightly better director then Richard Marquand.</p>
<p>C.  Go watch THX-1138, American Graffiti, Kagemusha, Powaqquatsi, and get a life.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fuck this cynical bullshit. Return of the Jedi is my favorite of the series, and I&#x27;m actually incredibly happy Lucas went the this-will-sell-more-toys route with it (as nasty as that sounds), because I genuinely believe that it ended up making for a better movie. &#034;Revenge of the Jedi,&#034; as described here, would not have formed my love of movies growing up in the way that &#034;Return&#034; did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck this cynical bullshit. Return of the Jedi is my favorite of the series, and I&#x27;m actually incredibly happy Lucas went the this-will-sell-more-toys route with it (as nasty as that sounds), because I genuinely believe that it ended up making for a better movie. &quot;Revenge of the Jedi,&quot; as described here, would not have formed my love of movies growing up in the way that &quot;Return&quot; did.</p>
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		By: bunderpump		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bunderpump]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;There would be no major deaths besides the ones that we already knew about in the prequels&#034;

What, you mean except Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu and Darth Maul?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;There would be no major deaths besides the ones that we already knew about in the prequels&quot;</p>
<p>What, you mean except Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu and Darth Maul?</p>
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		By: John Rotan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Rotan]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Marquand died in 1987, so he couldn&#x27;t have said anything about directing ROTJ in 2005.]]></description>
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		By: Skier_pete		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skier_pete]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was 13 when RotJ came out, and I saw it 9 times in the theaters. I can tell you, there was nothing about that movie I didn&#x27;t like. This article sounds like revisionist history. Sure the Ewoks are clearly (through adult eyes) there to sell toys, but in addition, there is a true sense of irony that these small, untechnological aboriginies helped to bring down the technicological marvel of the empire.  I thought (and still think) the three plots revolving work like gangbusters, each one playing off the other. (Lando and the fleet requiring Han&#x2F;Leia&#x27;s success on the planet. Luke being tempted to the dark side by watching his friends lose their battle. Vader saving Luke at the last minute.) It all works SOOOOOOOOO much better than anything in the prequels.  Maybe the weakest of the three movies, but this is only because 1 and 2 are so strong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 13 when RotJ came out, and I saw it 9 times in the theaters. I can tell you, there was nothing about that movie I didn&#x27;t like. This article sounds like revisionist history. Sure the Ewoks are clearly (through adult eyes) there to sell toys, but in addition, there is a true sense of irony that these small, untechnological aboriginies helped to bring down the technicological marvel of the empire.  I thought (and still think) the three plots revolving work like gangbusters, each one playing off the other. (Lando and the fleet requiring Han&#x2F;Leia&#x27;s success on the planet. Luke being tempted to the dark side by watching his friends lose their battle. Vader saving Luke at the last minute.) It all works SOOOOOOOOO much better than anything in the prequels.  Maybe the weakest of the three movies, but this is only because 1 and 2 are so strong.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Knokey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[With &#034;Empire&#034; I thought Lucas had finally learned how to make a decent motion picture that WASN&#x27;T predictable and soft in the center. But it turned out with &#034;Return&#x2F;Revenge&#034; he&#x27;d merely morphed into the Emperor, with Marquand as his even-more-reluctant Darth V.  The direction was so bland I thought Marquand was Lucas&#x27;s Christian Nyby (the supposed director of Hawks&#x27; &#034;The Thing&#034; which everyone knew was nonsense). Lucas asked a director sorta-friend of mine (who shall remain nameless though everyone knows it)  to direct (not any of those mentioned), so he read the script with Lucas hovering about (a bad omen) and a little way into it looked up and said, &#034;George. Another Death Star?&#034; And that was that, invitation-wise. Lucas was seduced into a happy ending by the Dark Side of the merchandising Force.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With &quot;Empire&quot; I thought Lucas had finally learned how to make a decent motion picture that WASN&#x27;T predictable and soft in the center. But it turned out with &quot;Return&#x2F;Revenge&quot; he&#x27;d merely morphed into the Emperor, with Marquand as his even-more-reluctant Darth V.  The direction was so bland I thought Marquand was Lucas&#x27;s Christian Nyby (the supposed director of Hawks&#x27; &quot;The Thing&quot; which everyone knew was nonsense). Lucas asked a director sorta-friend of mine (who shall remain nameless though everyone knows it)  to direct (not any of those mentioned), so he read the script with Lucas hovering about (a bad omen) and a little way into it looked up and said, &quot;George. Another Death Star?&quot; And that was that, invitation-wise. Lucas was seduced into a happy ending by the Dark Side of the merchandising Force.</p>
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		By: YO DUH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YO DUH]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dude, as a child in the 80&#x27;s, I was scared shitless of Ewoks.  TRU STORY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, as a child in the 80&#x27;s, I was scared shitless of Ewoks.  TRU STORY</p>
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		By: Zach		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I&#x27;m about to say some will consider heresy -- there were some fantastic storytelling moments in Episode III.

This was supposed to be a rough, dark descent into madness and evil for Anakin Skywalker.  The tone of the scene where Palpatine first tells Anakin about the possibility that a Sith lord could will the midichlorians to create life was eerie, like it was supposed to be.  The dialogue sucked, but the tone was right...

There&#x27;s a scene where PadmÃ© and Anakin are in different places, and the shots cut between the two.  There&#x27;s a lot of unspoken emotion and tension in that scene, and it works.  Also, no dialogue...

The moment where the padawans ask Anakin what they should do, and Anakin silently powers up his lightsaber... evil.  Again, because Anakin had no dialogue, the scene worked in its creepiness factor...

The only parts of the film that really were horrible were the overly-expository bits of dialogue.  Lucas should have hired someone else to take care of the screenplay, because even Ewan McGregor or Samuel L. Jackson sounded disappointed as they were speaking those lines.  At least Jackson put his passion into it; McGregor was still channeling Alec Guinness too much for his acting chops to really show through.  If Abrams is able to take the seriousness of the film and keep it serious without cute-ing it up (it is Disney, after all), then we should be good.  But the mythos has to remain intact, and the dialogue has to be top-notch.  Hire Diablo Cody for a start.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#x27;m about to say some will consider heresy &#8212; there were some fantastic storytelling moments in Episode III.</p>
<p>This was supposed to be a rough, dark descent into madness and evil for Anakin Skywalker.  The tone of the scene where Palpatine first tells Anakin about the possibility that a Sith lord could will the midichlorians to create life was eerie, like it was supposed to be.  The dialogue sucked, but the tone was right&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#x27;s a scene where PadmÃ© and Anakin are in different places, and the shots cut between the two.  There&#x27;s a lot of unspoken emotion and tension in that scene, and it works.  Also, no dialogue&#8230;</p>
<p>The moment where the padawans ask Anakin what they should do, and Anakin silently powers up his lightsaber&#8230; evil.  Again, because Anakin had no dialogue, the scene worked in its creepiness factor&#8230;</p>
<p>The only parts of the film that really were horrible were the overly-expository bits of dialogue.  Lucas should have hired someone else to take care of the screenplay, because even Ewan McGregor or Samuel L. Jackson sounded disappointed as they were speaking those lines.  At least Jackson put his passion into it; McGregor was still channeling Alec Guinness too much for his acting chops to really show through.  If Abrams is able to take the seriousness of the film and keep it serious without cute-ing it up (it is Disney, after all), then we should be good.  But the mythos has to remain intact, and the dialogue has to be top-notch.  Hire Diablo Cody for a start.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#x27;t think the climax of ROTJ was that hard to follow.]]></description>
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		By: Rob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I only recently heard of Ford and Kasdan wanting to kill Solo off. If there were to be such a self-sacrifice, it would have to be an obstacle that could only be remedied by Solo in order to save everyone else from being caught and killed. I think the quality of the movie really depends on age. Jedi was always my favorite, but I was also five years old, making it the same age by time I saw it. Did the Ewoks really bother me? Well, no, I was five. But I was more paying attention to the space battle, which still ranks as some of the best special effects sequences I&#x27;ve ever seen. I still watching it and am awestruck every time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only recently heard of Ford and Kasdan wanting to kill Solo off. If there were to be such a self-sacrifice, it would have to be an obstacle that could only be remedied by Solo in order to save everyone else from being caught and killed. I think the quality of the movie really depends on age. Jedi was always my favorite, but I was also five years old, making it the same age by time I saw it. Did the Ewoks really bother me? Well, no, I was five. But I was more paying attention to the space battle, which still ranks as some of the best special effects sequences I&#x27;ve ever seen. I still watching it and am awestruck every time.</p>
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		By: Sean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article feels like some guy who finally rewatched the original trilogy and got mad that the final film didn&#x27;t carry the bleak and harshness that the second film presented. It also loses legitimacy for the fact that Richard Marquand died in 87, not 2005 (plus the link is just to an amazon page for a book on Lucas). 
Return is still a good film. It is the worst of the the three bit it&#x27;s good. It ties up the loose ends, it brings everything to a proper climax and its quite enjoyable. To say the three story climax is confusing means you&#x27;re searching for something to nitpick (Phantom Menance did it with four and it still slightly worked). Ewoks are adorable and might not be want some fans wanted (I remember Wookiee&#x27;s were going to be used instead of Ewoks) but the fact that these little bears can kill some dumb troopers, its funny (in a good way). 

At the end, Star Wars was always a kids film series that&#x27;s duly nerds take to seriously and complain way too much about. So to say Return of the Jedi ruined Star Wars is the equivelant of saying Lucas raped your childhood. Grow up, stop being moody and enjoy the much needed lighter and warmer part of the trilogy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article feels like some guy who finally rewatched the original trilogy and got mad that the final film didn&#x27;t carry the bleak and harshness that the second film presented. It also loses legitimacy for the fact that Richard Marquand died in 87, not 2005 (plus the link is just to an amazon page for a book on Lucas).<br />
Return is still a good film. It is the worst of the the three bit it&#x27;s good. It ties up the loose ends, it brings everything to a proper climax and its quite enjoyable. To say the three story climax is confusing means you&#x27;re searching for something to nitpick (Phantom Menance did it with four and it still slightly worked). Ewoks are adorable and might not be want some fans wanted (I remember Wookiee&#x27;s were going to be used instead of Ewoks) but the fact that these little bears can kill some dumb troopers, its funny (in a good way). </p>
<p>At the end, Star Wars was always a kids film series that&#x27;s duly nerds take to seriously and complain way too much about. So to say Return of the Jedi ruined Star Wars is the equivelant of saying Lucas raped your childhood. Grow up, stop being moody and enjoy the much needed lighter and warmer part of the trilogy.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#x27;t think I could possibly disagree with your article more.  Killing off Han would have been a TERRIBLE idea.  The ENTIRE CLIFFHANGER of Empire was &#034;Can they save Han&#034;?  So we wait 3 years to find out what?  That Jabba the Hut kills him off?  That they rescue him from Jabba and then he just dies 15 minutes later anyway?  LAME.  Of course they have to rescue him.  We waited 3 years to find out how it was going to happen.  It HAD to happen.

IMO the only main characters that could have been killed off within the flow of the story would have been either Luke or Lando at the end when the Death Star blew up.  Killing Luke would have been a bold choice and I was actually somewhat surprised he survived as there were rumors leading up to the release of the movie that he did not survive.  He would have died a hero, taking out the empire and saving he entire universe.   Killing off Lando wouldn&#x27;t have been that big of a deal, and supposedly there were rough cuts of the movie where he and the Falcon didn&#x27;t make it out, though that may have been just a rumor.

As for the 3-pronged climax of Jedi, it was absolutely AWESOME and includes probably the best space-battle in Hollywood history.  Even with today&#x27;s computer special effects no one has topped the Jedi space-battle IMO.  It was the pinnacle of model-making special effects, and its like will never be seen again.  Anyone who couldn&#x27;t follow what was going on, well,  I can&#x27;t help you.   It wasn&#x27;t very hard to follow.

Jedi wasn&#x27;t perfect.  If you want to complalin, there were far too many muppets in Jabba&#x27;s palace and the Ewoks were definitely a questionable choice.  But don&#x27;t blame Jedi for what happened in the prequels.  Nothing that happened in Jedi caused  midichlorians or Jar-Jar Binks or the stupid plot holes or terrible acting of the prequels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#x27;t think I could possibly disagree with your article more.  Killing off Han would have been a TERRIBLE idea.  The ENTIRE CLIFFHANGER of Empire was &quot;Can they save Han&quot;?  So we wait 3 years to find out what?  That Jabba the Hut kills him off?  That they rescue him from Jabba and then he just dies 15 minutes later anyway?  LAME.  Of course they have to rescue him.  We waited 3 years to find out how it was going to happen.  It HAD to happen.</p>
<p>IMO the only main characters that could have been killed off within the flow of the story would have been either Luke or Lando at the end when the Death Star blew up.  Killing Luke would have been a bold choice and I was actually somewhat surprised he survived as there were rumors leading up to the release of the movie that he did not survive.  He would have died a hero, taking out the empire and saving he entire universe.   Killing off Lando wouldn&#x27;t have been that big of a deal, and supposedly there were rough cuts of the movie where he and the Falcon didn&#x27;t make it out, though that may have been just a rumor.</p>
<p>As for the 3-pronged climax of Jedi, it was absolutely AWESOME and includes probably the best space-battle in Hollywood history.  Even with today&#x27;s computer special effects no one has topped the Jedi space-battle IMO.  It was the pinnacle of model-making special effects, and its like will never be seen again.  Anyone who couldn&#x27;t follow what was going on, well,  I can&#x27;t help you.   It wasn&#x27;t very hard to follow.</p>
<p>Jedi wasn&#x27;t perfect.  If you want to complalin, there were far too many muppets in Jabba&#x27;s palace and the Ewoks were definitely a questionable choice.  But don&#x27;t blame Jedi for what happened in the prequels.  Nothing that happened in Jedi caused  midichlorians or Jar-Jar Binks or the stupid plot holes or terrible acting of the prequels.</p>
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		By: Fred		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw Jedi when I was seven. It was awesome and it still holds up today. It isn&#x27;t as good as SW and Empire but it&#x27;s a billion light years better than anything in the prequels. My daughter is four and she loves all of the films (she is making a spaceship out of cardboard as I write this), and is obsessed with this one because Han gets freed from carbonite. I still get pumped when I see Luke&#x27;s green lightsaber for the first time, and when Vader grabs the Emperor and throws him down the shaft. If Episode VII is more like Jedi and less like the prequels, we&#x27;re in for a good time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Jedi when I was seven. It was awesome and it still holds up today. It isn&#x27;t as good as SW and Empire but it&#x27;s a billion light years better than anything in the prequels. My daughter is four and she loves all of the films (she is making a spaceship out of cardboard as I write this), and is obsessed with this one because Han gets freed from carbonite. I still get pumped when I see Luke&#x27;s green lightsaber for the first time, and when Vader grabs the Emperor and throws him down the shaft. If Episode VII is more like Jedi and less like the prequels, we&#x27;re in for a good time.</p>
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