“I have seen so many people try and destroy their spouses during a divorce”
And usually – they don’t just try to destroy their Ex during and after the divorce. Usually (if they have kids) they will try to use them as pawns in their war. The talk about all these values and such while destroying their children for a little revenge.
Thousands upon thousands of children are twisted and abused this way by their “Loving” parents. How’s that for “Asshatery” ?

Why didn’t you speak out about it BEFORE it became trendy.

Again, what you are doing is making conjectures and assumption which is 100% fine. There is nothing wrong with being an arm chair Perry Mason. What Page is implying with her “I felt bad about woking with Allen” quote is that it was a morally dubious choice to work with him. She is implying that anyone who works with him is making a morally dubious act and I think it’s quite the opposite. I think her statement is morally dubious because it is render via blind faith. No one knows if Allen is guilty or not, anyone making the claim that “they KNOW” is full of it.

None of us know, especially now, twenty whatever years later, with all the opinion pieces, and articles written, and twitter posts, with so much discussion of this case, with false facts and opinions turned into facts, it’s very hard to claim objectivity in this case.

I can’t call Allen a pedophile nor can I call Dylan a liar, I’m a bystander, just like Ellen Page, her position isn’t any more privileged than mine so I take issue with that statement because it’s equally harmful to call him a pedophile in the absents of any definitive proof as it’s to call Dylan a liar. My argument is simply that none of us KNOW and so we have to live in that uncomfortable place of not condemning either side.

What I see in that statement is the spirit of the mob and I think it’s dangerous. We live in a place where people need to be convicted of crimes to wear that albatross, we don’t condemn people for being accused.

Your statement make a perfect example of what’s wrong with being an arm chair Perry Mason. You said “You combine this with his actions with Soon Yi, and numerous films he writes about an older man (often played by him) having a relationship with a young, sometimes underage, female. This paints a picture. The probabilities are NOT in his favor.”

So you are using his films and the CHARACTERS he plays to make assumptions about the PERSON behind those characters. This is an obvious mistake, but it’s doubly so because you are mistaking Pedophilia with Ephebophilia. Ephebophilia is more akin to what Allen’s characters display, an attraction to teens, never has he played a character who is attached to a prepubescent child, which is what Dylan was at the time of the allegations.

Not only are you conflating the person with the characters he plays but you’re diagnosis of their problem is incorrect. So while it’s harmless for you or for me and for anyone else to have an opinion about his guilt or innocences, it’s not okay for Page to make a public statement which condemns anyone associating with Allen giving that our opinions on the matter are just opinions and can not rise to fact without definitive proof one way or the other.

I also want to note that even calling it “Ephebophilia” is incorrect because that would imply that his characters had an exclusive attraction to teens and he’s never played that character either.

Again, what you are doing is making conjectures and assumption which is 100% fine. There is nothing wrong with being an arm chair Perry Mason. What Page is implying with her “I felt bad about woking with Allen” quote is that it was a morally dubious choice to work with him. She is implying that anyone who works with him is making a morally dubious act and I think it’s quite the opposite. I think her statement is morally dubious because it is render via blind faith. No one knows if Allen is guilty or not, anyone making the claim that “they KNOW” is full of it.

None of us know, especially now, twenty whatever years later, with all the opinion pieces, and articles written, and twitter posts, with so much discussion of this case, with false facts and opinions turned into facts, it’s very hard to claim objectivity in this case.

I can’t call Allen a pedophile nor can I call Dylan a liar, I’m a bystander, just like Ellen Page, her position isn’t any more privileged than mine so I take issue with that statement because it’s equally harmful to call him a pedophile in the absents of any definitive proof as it’s to call Dylan a liar. My argument is simply that none of us KNOW and so we have to live in that uncomfortable place of not condemning either side.

What I see in that statement is the spirit of the mob and I think it’s dangerous. We live in a place where people need to be convicted of crimes to wear that albatross, we don’t condemn people for being accused.

Your statement make a perfect example of what’s wrong with being an arm chair Perry Mason. You said “You combine this with his actions with Soon Yi, and numerous films he writes about an older man (often played by him) having a relationship with a young, sometimes underage, female. This paints a picture. The probabilities are NOT in his favor.”

So you are using his films and the CHARACTERS he plays to make assumptions about the PERSON behind those characters. This is an obvious mistake, but it’s doubly so because you are mistaking Pedophilia with Ephebophilia. Ephebophilia is more akin to what Allen’s characters display, an attraction to teens, never has he played a character who is attached to a prepubescent child, which is what Dylan was at the time of the allegations.

Not only are you conflating the person with the characters he plays but you’re diagnosis of their problem is incorrect. So while it’s harmless for you or for me and for anyone else to have an opinion about his guilt or innocences, it’s not okay for Page to make a public statement which condemns anyone associating with Allen giving that our opinions on the matter are just opinions and can not rise to fact without definitive proof one way or the other.

I also want to note that even calling it “Ephebophilia” is incorrect because that would imply that his characters had an exclusive attraction to teens and he’s never played that character either.

Fuck Woody Allen, don’t be a creep

Don’t be an asshat

100% certainty, no, but I think the probabilities are not in his favor.

The court’s decision:
The evidence suggests that it is unlikely that [Allen] could be successfully prosecuted for sexual abuse. I am less certain, however, than is the Yale-New Haven team, that the evidence proves conclusively that there was no sexual abuse.”

The judge further concluded that Dr. Schultz’s and Dr. Coates’s opinions “may have been colored by their loyalty to Mr. Allen,” and that the report provided by the Yale-New Haven team was suspect due to the “unavailability of the notes,” which were “destroyed prior to the issuance of the report,” and the doctors’ “unwillingness to testify at this trial except through the deposition of Dr. Leventhal,” a pediatrician on the team, “resulted in a report which was sanitized and, therefore, less credible.” The judge concludes: “We will probably never know what occurred on August 4, 1992. The credible testimony of Ms. Farrow, Dr. Coates, Dr. Leventhal, and Mr. Allen does, however, prove that Mr. Allen’s behavior toward Dylan was grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her.

You combine this with his actions with Soon Yi, and numerous films he writes about an older man (often played by him) having a relationship with a young, sometimes underage, female

Read the court documents
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-shocking-custody-case-court-documents-that-shed-light-on-the-dylan-farrow-woody-allen-saga

Because people need to get their facts straight. You see how Ellen was marked for years by the Ratner’s comment, the way it damaged her and replayed over and over in her mind? Well it’s the same when you’ve been judge to be a rapist by people who don’t know what they are talking about. There are two misdeeds that Allen has been saddled with A) The molestation of his daughter Dylan and B) Running off with his adopted Daughter Soon Yi. These two things get conflated into a single crime but B) is one 100% what he did, disgusting but not illegal, A) was investigate and the charges were dropped before any trial. Dylan and her brother maintain that Allen committed the act while Allen disputes this and some of his other adopted children like Moses Allen asserts that Farrow couched them to say the things they said. So while Allen started a relationship with a non blood relative when she was 18 and in my personal opinion it’s gross, insanely gross, it isn’t illegal. The he said she said between him Dylan, Farrow that began at the inception of what proved to be a nasty divorce is an entirely different matter, it’s the most foggy and hard to say what really happened but it’s the one that people like you prosecute with the most certainty without any basic research into the case.

I have seen so many people try and destroy their spouses during a divorce that that alone cast a huge shadow over the accusation for me, the fact that the investigators found Dylan to be unreliable in her telling of the story, also cast doubts in my mind. That case was aggressively investigated and Allen was cleared. Years later Moses came out with his side of the story saying Mia manipulated them, I don’t know but the divorce, Moses, the testimony of the baby-sitter that said allen was not alone with Dylan on the day in question all to me cast doubt and that is what our legal system is base on reasonable doubt.

Ellen page was talking out of her ass when she brought Allen into the conversation. If you hate him for running off with Soon Yi fine, but people need to stop saying that they know 100% for sure he molested Dylan. The facts of the case are way too murky for anyone to research and come away with 100% certainty.

Why is tossing Woody Allen under the bus bad form exactly? This sea change started because of an article Ronan Farrow wrote. You know, brother to Dylan Farrow.