And I was being sarcastic about Shia's "everyman" status, since Michael Bay has never shown any interest in an everyman character, and Shia's character is Bay's asshole idea of an everyman. Didn't think I needed the fake quotations.

And you're just talking out of your ass with this Shia-being-too-sissy
Hey I remember people saying that around TF07, and the annoying bit you cannot deny. But it's funny how you refute your own assertion that he's "disgusting", by now calling him an every-man.

And you're just talking out of your ass with this Shia-being-too-sissy thing that approximately zero people have discussed. His character is a one-dimensional everykid who, upon meeting Megan Fox, accidentally makes a joke about her being a prostitute, while feeding drugs to his dog and bitching and moaning about getting a new car. Not necessarily sissy or badass, but not exactly a paragon of virtue. Which would be ok if this film weren't some one dimensional light show.

And one of the galling things about Optimus Prime in the movie is that he's NOT heroic. The Autobots engage in pratfalls and shenanigans, destroy entire swaths of heavily-populated areas, all to regain the AllSpark and save themselves. That's not heroic, that's self-preservation. Peter Cullen's voice in the original film is the best thing about it, but like in all of Bay's movies, his heroes are never all that heroic, and their flaws never register as interesting traits, only signs of a sleeping screenwriter.

Fuck these movies.

Michael Bay's protagonists are always obliviously immoral, disgusting people, so there's nothing to contrast the occasional villain vulgarity
hmmm there' seems to be a certain Shia leboof who's the MAIN character in the film that many call too sissy(nice) and annoying. Also a certain optimus prime who's just over the top with his hero-ness.

Bottom line, Bay knows he's making something for kids and he knows kids don't like kid movies, hence the crude humor for the parents next to them, making it the ultimate kid's movie.

The people who buy the DVD don't care about transformers, but they'll be playing with it and think "hey what's that?" And BOOYA you got a customer.

more:
http://is.gd/14Je3 (4:30)

1. The robot battles are done exactly the way a child plays with his toys. The minute Blackout(helicopter) got back up for the millionth time after being hit, I realized that this is exactly what I did with my toys. You DON'T WANT the bad guy to die, he's too cool, you pick him back up and you're like "Oh man he's so strong he doesn't die!" It runs miles in a kid's head.

2. That childhood freedom. I noticed 2 things(things I believe Bay always does but it seems to have more meaning here). Several times the camera is angled UP to the robots as if they're so fearsome that we have to look up to them. Also that we keep looking at the robots through bystander's perspective, mainly adults. These 2 things build the motif that your childhood toys ARE as big and important as you used to feel they were when you played with them, so important and fearsome that adults with all their rigid way of life must stop in their tracks, stop all their so important "work" and responsibilities and crap, and can no longer ignore those robots they considered child's play. The scene that I believe was intentionally meant to exude this feeling was the bridge scene boncrusher and optimus fight. The kid in the car expresses his childhood naivete and purity by going "cool mom!", while mom restrains him and reminds him of all that danger and precaution needed to stay alive, if one calls that "living".

This franchise is geniunely for children and those who can remember being children.