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		By: talia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Freddie Rosen - I live in the UK and don\&#039;t think cinema tickets are expensive unless you live in London.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Freddie Rosen &#8211; I live in the UK and don\&#8217;t think cinema tickets are expensive unless you live in London.</p>
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		By: Sydney Weinberger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sydney Weinberger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2016 15:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although, streaming is clearly the new frontier for film and television viewing, in his article, Lyttelton unfairly focuses on the detrimental effects streaming supposedly has on the independent film industry. Netflix and other online streaming services have altered the traditional distribution system by increasing sales points and creating a greater barrier for independent films to make it to theatrical release, but the online platforms has made it possible for independent films to be seen by a greater audience than ever before. You can say what you want about streaming&#8217;s negative aspects, but for independent filmmakers, streaming introduces the possibility of not only finding an audience, but finding a wide audience&#8212;something that traditional distribution cannot offer. 

Before streaming, independent films bought by major distributors were offered limited release in theaters or obscure art-houses, where viewership depended on a specific, dedicated indie film audience; one that frequented art houses and independent films already.  Now, instead of being sold and distributed on a smaller scale to a smaller audience, independent films sold to an online distributor become instantly accessible to millions of viewers worldwide who do not fit the typical indie-audience profile. 

With a subscription base of approximately 70 million, and growing, Netflix offers a diverse audience with a wide range of tastes, allowing a freedom to be bold with the movies they feature. Major distributors do not have this freedom because they are bound to the limitations of the box office and profitability which, ironically, is shrinking due to mobile streaming technologies. In 2013, it was reported in Variety that movie theater audiences between the ages of 18-24 shrank by 17 percent. 

Conversely, streaming audiences are over 40 million, and growing. This is a monumental era for independent films because unlike major distributors, streaming services acknowledge the potential of films lacking widespread appeal because they have a stable audience and, in turn, are more financially stable. Their subscribers are not going anywhere, and there are so many of them, that there really is &#8220;something for everyone.&#8221; 

This year, Netflix and Amazon proved that they value independent film when they were the biggest buyers at the Sundance film festival. Their grandiose offers influenced major theatrical distribution deals more than ever before, especially in the case of The Birth of a Nation, however, this is a special circumstance. The film sold for $17.5 million dollars but was produced for approximately 10 million dollars&#8212;an exorbitant budget for an independent film. While it is an independent film by origin, it aimed for the studio-award route, which not all independent films do. The online distributors may incite competition in relation to hot commodity films such as The Birth of a Nation, but, for the most part, their markets are completely different. As Roy Price, the head of Amazon Studios, told the New York Times, &#8220;We&#8217;re interested in distinctive films by artists who have something new and interesting to say.&#8221; Streaming services are popular because they are making all types of films accessible to audiences hungry for something different, and the industry is finally realizing that diversity in storytelling is something to be admired. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, streaming is clearly the new frontier for film and television viewing, in his article, Lyttelton unfairly focuses on the detrimental effects streaming supposedly has on the independent film industry. Netflix and other online streaming services have altered the traditional distribution system by increasing sales points and creating a greater barrier for independent films to make it to theatrical release, but the online platforms has made it possible for independent films to be seen by a greater audience than ever before. You can say what you want about streaming&rsquo;s negative aspects, but for independent filmmakers, streaming introduces the possibility of not only finding an audience, but finding a wide audience&mdash;something that traditional distribution cannot offer. </p>
<p>Before streaming, independent films bought by major distributors were offered limited release in theaters or obscure art-houses, where viewership depended on a specific, dedicated indie film audience; one that frequented art houses and independent films already.  Now, instead of being sold and distributed on a smaller scale to a smaller audience, independent films sold to an online distributor become instantly accessible to millions of viewers worldwide who do not fit the typical indie-audience profile. </p>
<p>With a subscription base of approximately 70 million, and growing, Netflix offers a diverse audience with a wide range of tastes, allowing a freedom to be bold with the movies they feature. Major distributors do not have this freedom because they are bound to the limitations of the box office and profitability which, ironically, is shrinking due to mobile streaming technologies. In 2013, it was reported in Variety that movie theater audiences between the ages of 18-24 shrank by 17 percent. </p>
<p>Conversely, streaming audiences are over 40 million, and growing. This is a monumental era for independent films because unlike major distributors, streaming services acknowledge the potential of films lacking widespread appeal because they have a stable audience and, in turn, are more financially stable. Their subscribers are not going anywhere, and there are so many of them, that there really is &ldquo;something for everyone.&rdquo; </p>
<p>This year, Netflix and Amazon proved that they value independent film when they were the biggest buyers at the Sundance film festival. Their grandiose offers influenced major theatrical distribution deals more than ever before, especially in the case of The Birth of a Nation, however, this is a special circumstance. The film sold for $17.5 million dollars but was produced for approximately 10 million dollars&mdash;an exorbitant budget for an independent film. While it is an independent film by origin, it aimed for the studio-award route, which not all independent films do. The online distributors may incite competition in relation to hot commodity films such as The Birth of a Nation, but, for the most part, their markets are completely different. As Roy Price, the head of Amazon Studios, told the New York Times, &ldquo;We&rsquo;re interested in distinctive films by artists who have something new and interesting to say.&rdquo; Streaming services are popular because they are making all types of films accessible to audiences hungry for something different, and the industry is finally realizing that diversity in storytelling is something to be admired. </p>
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		By: JEROME MAZANDARANI		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JEROME MAZANDARANI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It\&#039;s simple. Producers have to follow the money. Netflix is offering above the asking price. It\&#039;s a good deal in the short term. And who are we kidding? Most producers live a hand-to-mouth existence. If the advance ask is $1 million for all English speaking territories and Netflix will pay $1.3 million isn\&#039;t that a deal worth closing? It could take individual distribution partners in UK, Australia, USA several years to recoup the advance, P&#038;A, localisation, authoring and other costs. The Producers may never see another dime. Anyone who works in film and tV production is usually having to follow the money. Is it healthy in the long term? No. It isn\&#039;t, but film makers and their financiers have usually never had the luxury of choosing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It\&#8217;s simple. Producers have to follow the money. Netflix is offering above the asking price. It\&#8217;s a good deal in the short term. And who are we kidding? Most producers live a hand-to-mouth existence. If the advance ask is $1 million for all English speaking territories and Netflix will pay $1.3 million isn\&#8217;t that a deal worth closing? It could take individual distribution partners in UK, Australia, USA several years to recoup the advance, P&amp;A, localisation, authoring and other costs. The Producers may never see another dime. Anyone who works in film and tV production is usually having to follow the money. Is it healthy in the long term? No. It isn\&#8217;t, but film makers and their financiers have usually never had the luxury of choosing.</p>
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		By: Anthony Kaufman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Kaufman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is good analysis, but how come you don\&#039;t do any original reporting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good analysis, but how come you don\&#8217;t do any original reporting.</p>
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		By: Lily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love going to cinema for big blockbusters but also indie films mainly because where I live in the US we have a great theater that shows them. Regal Cinemas headquarters is in my hometown so I think that\&#039;s why the theaters are so nice and I enjoy going to the one that shows all the great indie films. I love Netflix but nothing can replace going to the theater. Yes it has gotten expensive and I used to go to more films when I was younger but it\&#039;s an experience that\&#039;s so enjoyable I personally don\&#039;t mind. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love going to cinema for big blockbusters but also indie films mainly because where I live in the US we have a great theater that shows them. Regal Cinemas headquarters is in my hometown so I think that\&#8217;s why the theaters are so nice and I enjoy going to the one that shows all the great indie films. I love Netflix but nothing can replace going to the theater. Yes it has gotten expensive and I used to go to more films when I was younger but it\&#8217;s an experience that\&#8217;s so enjoyable I personally don\&#8217;t mind. </p>
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		By: KundaliniRising		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems like people are always complaining about the cost of seeing a film, but then they go on to include drinks, popcorn, and candy into that cost. The ticket by itself is not that expensive really. I see new releases all the time for $5. Just go to the earliest showing of the day and not in the evening. The real complaint should be spending $10 or more on popcorn and coke. Cinema isn\&#039;t close to dead, there are just too many theater goers who cant sit still for 2 hrs without a soda and a snack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like people are always complaining about the cost of seeing a film, but then they go on to include drinks, popcorn, and candy into that cost. The ticket by itself is not that expensive really. I see new releases all the time for $5. Just go to the earliest showing of the day and not in the evening. The real complaint should be spending $10 or more on popcorn and coke. Cinema isn\&#8217;t close to dead, there are just too many theater goers who cant sit still for 2 hrs without a soda and a snack.</p>
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		By: recently_reaped		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree about the pricing of movies being too much. I took my two boys, my aunt and I to go see a kids film and the cost of that was $30 and the treats (2 medium popcorn, 4 drinks and not much else) cost more than the tickets. Usually I hit up a dollar store for cheaper chocolate bars and candy for the kids and this was a reminder why.

Maybe going to the movies by yourself isn\&#039;t a big expense when you got a family of 4, it gets pretty darn expensive. 

I recently went to see The Dark Crystal, through a digital film fest that is going on across Canada, and because it was an older film it only cost me $19.50 for me and my 2 boys to go. That\&#039;s a reasonable price that would have me going to the movies more if that was the regular price. However it isn\&#039;t so paying $16/month for Netflix but another Canadian streaming service just makes more sense for me. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the pricing of movies being too much. I took my two boys, my aunt and I to go see a kids film and the cost of that was $30 and the treats (2 medium popcorn, 4 drinks and not much else) cost more than the tickets. Usually I hit up a dollar store for cheaper chocolate bars and candy for the kids and this was a reminder why.</p>
<p>Maybe going to the movies by yourself isn\&#8217;t a big expense when you got a family of 4, it gets pretty darn expensive. </p>
<p>I recently went to see The Dark Crystal, through a digital film fest that is going on across Canada, and because it was an older film it only cost me $19.50 for me and my 2 boys to go. That\&#8217;s a reasonable price that would have me going to the movies more if that was the regular price. However it isn\&#8217;t so paying $16/month for Netflix but another Canadian streaming service just makes more sense for me. </p>
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		By: Freddie Rosen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freddie Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Frank B - My point is that cinema is heading that way in terms of pricing. Tickets are gradually become more and more expensive. I have not experienced independent theatres in the US so I will have to take your word on them being less than desirable locations, and you have a point about the comfort of one\&#039;s home (and, as time goes by, the viewing experience is only going to get better with cheaper TVs and better sound equipment), but I dunno, there\&#039;s something to be said about the collective experience of going to the cinema. Maybe I\&#039;m just nostalgic for an era I was never part of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank B &#8211; My point is that cinema is heading that way in terms of pricing. Tickets are gradually become more and more expensive. I have not experienced independent theatres in the US so I will have to take your word on them being less than desirable locations, and you have a point about the comfort of one\&#8217;s home (and, as time goes by, the viewing experience is only going to get better with cheaper TVs and better sound equipment), but I dunno, there\&#8217;s something to be said about the collective experience of going to the cinema. Maybe I\&#8217;m just nostalgic for an era I was never part of.</p>
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		By: PhotographicAmnesia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 06:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Frank B - I have to agree with the poor viewing experience with independant pictures as well. Vast majority of the time I find the seats very uncomfortable (for lack of maintence) screens not cleaned (same old drink stains splashed on the screen) poor sound or picture etc. I\&#039;d much rather see most of the independent films at home where all those things are a non issue. Sad to say. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank B &#8211; I have to agree with the poor viewing experience with independant pictures as well. Vast majority of the time I find the seats very uncomfortable (for lack of maintence) screens not cleaned (same old drink stains splashed on the screen) poor sound or picture etc. I\&#8217;d much rather see most of the independent films at home where all those things are a non issue. Sad to say. </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don\&#039;t think cinema ticket are too expensive (especially compared to live theater) but I do often prefer viewing independent movies in the comfort of my home (often on Netflix) rather that go to see them in theaters with subpar viewing conditions such as the Angelika, Film Forum or Lincoln theater in NYC which always show great movies but in truly horrendous conditions. In my view only a very few independent theaters in NYC provide a satisfactory viewing experience (such as the Sunshine theater or the IFC.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don\&#8217;t think cinema ticket are too expensive (especially compared to live theater) but I do often prefer viewing independent movies in the comfort of my home (often on Netflix) rather that go to see them in theaters with subpar viewing conditions such as the Angelika, Film Forum or Lincoln theater in NYC which always show great movies but in truly horrendous conditions. In my view only a very few independent theaters in NYC provide a satisfactory viewing experience (such as the Sunshine theater or the IFC.)</p>
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		By: Freddie Rosen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freddie Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 00:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very fucking worrying. One of the other key reasons for this shift in emphasis is that it\&#039;s so bloody expensive to go to the cinema. People are willing to go and see Star Wars (as they should), but you are getting more bang for your buck with a film like that. In the UK, on average, a trip to the cinema is 20 pounds all in (popcorn, drink and a ticket). Cinemas need to drop their prices if independent film is going to survive in theatres. Something tells me they won\&#039;t. George Lucas predicted cinema would become as expensive as going to the theatre and he\&#039;s basically been proven right. This was supposed to be a working man\&#039;s medium. Just depressing really. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very fucking worrying. One of the other key reasons for this shift in emphasis is that it\&#8217;s so bloody expensive to go to the cinema. People are willing to go and see Star Wars (as they should), but you are getting more bang for your buck with a film like that. In the UK, on average, a trip to the cinema is 20 pounds all in (popcorn, drink and a ticket). Cinemas need to drop their prices if independent film is going to survive in theatres. Something tells me they won\&#8217;t. George Lucas predicted cinema would become as expensive as going to the theatre and he\&#8217;s basically been proven right. This was supposed to be a working man\&#8217;s medium. Just depressing really. </p>
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