Comments on: Discuss: As ‘World War Z’ Gets Seven Weeks Of Reshoots, Why Are So Many Tentpoles Being Delayed & Reworked?

By: Xian

Xian — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

World War Z… don't have to much hope for this one though I once did. Seems they're deviating far enough from the book (stupid ADD-addled, running zombies aside) to make this seem much less interesting conceptually than Max Brooks's source work (which, to me, always owed much to Whitley Strieber and James Kunetka's "Warday" in its structure and tropes). I think this one's gonna be a dog, especially with a ludicrous PG-13 rating (oh, how far from George A. Romero's great early work has the mighty zombie fallen). It's foolish to make this kind of material kid-friendly.

By: kull

kull — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

Pixar structures 4 reshoots into the budget, because movies are put together, scenes are scrapped and new scenes are added in. At Pixar, this is a way of perfecting the movie they have. In Hollywood, because it is more public, every news outlet has to report on any reworking and it becomes a bigger story than it needs to be. Wouldn't it be better to judge the movie on it's own? About ten years ago there was a huge reshoot on a certain move that wasnt really reported. The first cut wasnt great at all but the reshoots really helped the movie and it became a big hit and a bigger franchise. Can't the media find something else to report on, like the new french wave, like they used to? At least we learned something back then…

By: Josh

Josh — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

And then you have reshoots like the final final scene of Avengers which wasn't even shot until after the movie premiered.

By: the ayatollah of film

the ayatollah of film — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

The Daily Mail who have had more campaigns to ban films than actually been constructive towards them, there up there with The Sun, similar group news papers they make a molehill out of nothing sensationalize it, very unreliable source. Ok its not unusual for films to have re-shoots doesn't mean its bad film, sometimes it is a bad film sometimes we should look at the film director John Chu – GI Joe Retaliation, same guy who did a 3d justin bieber film, Marc Forster who hasn't did any breathtaking films, nearly destroyed James Bond (though money was a bigger problem) just a few people mediocre director not delivering. Film studios think we all want 3d, some people think in europe and UK we love 3D its actually the opposite. Sales maybe good but thats the fact due to cinema chains who will only show a film in 3D even if 2D is available or when they do show 2D, the 2d version maybe shown 2 times a day compared 8 or times a day for 3d. film studios want our money and want PG, 12A (PG-13) films even if the source of the film could be a 15 or 18 rating , it's all $$$$

By: Daniel

Daniel — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

(I know this will probably get removed, but I'm a longtime pre-indiewire playlister, I swear! So even if you do take it down, please check out the link anyway, I really think you'd dig it!)

I'm a huge HUGE fan of WWZ, and for any other 'listers who are, or who are filmmakers themselves, I wanted to post the zombie short I made — https://vimeo.com/35665030.

And now for an actual comment: Delayed and reworked doesn't mean bad; there are plenty of great pictures that changed hugely during the course of production . WWZ is a trick and a half, though, and I bet getting the balance right on such a wide ranging story is probably very tough. The book itself is more a collection of short stories than a regular novel, so they've likely had to make big changes already — which always threatens to upset fans. But from what I've seen, it looks pretty amazing.

By: Thuan Dang

Thuan Dang — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

Studios want pg13 tentpoles but they don't have enough quality pg13 tentpole directors to make them. So they cram other type of directors into pg13 and they don't work out. Carl Erik Rinsch isn't a pg13 director. His whole thing is cerebral and very "smartsy". Give him 175 million bucks to make 47 Ronin, dude ain't gonna use it to make MI:4, he's gonna make Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut and probably did.

Andrew Stanton is a pg13 quad tentpole director, problem with John Carter was that he wasn't trying to make a 4 quadrant tentpole for the present day audience. Give him 200 million plus, he's gonna go out and make John Carter as Star Wars but in todays film landscape? That's utterly failure-bound. Modern filmmaking has moved way past Star Wars, he wanted to go back to the classical way with JC. Wrong move.

Jon Chu is pg13 but isn't a 4 quad tentpole director because did those who went to see the StepUp movies go see it for the story? If Spielberg is the apex and Shawn Levy is basically the median, Chu doesn't even hit the median as a 4 quad tentpole director. Chu's a Bollywood/musical director. He won't dazzle you with story and action but he'll dazzle the hell out of you with dance and singing.

Marc Forster ain't a 4 quad tentpole director. He's a character driven/adult material filmmaker.

Hollywood don't have many directors who have a strong passion to make 4quad tentpoles and the intimate storytelling ability for it. Yeah people like Joseph Kosinski can learn special effects but that technical stuff you can learn from others. Visual storytelling, for this point 4 quadrant pg13, whatever you want to call it, visual storytelling, is something you got to figure out by yourself, can't be taught by others. Screenwriters can write a pg13 tentpole script but how it is seen visually is up in the air unless you got a good pg13 tentpole director who will know what works and what won't in his/her head. Most directors aren't interested in only doing just pg13 tentpoles, but the money man, the money (Burton).

By: T

Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

The daily mail is hardly the most reliable source for these things, is it?
Has ANYONE else confirmed this?
Pitt's about to shoot a few weeks of "Twelve years a slave" & than a few weeks of "the counselor", almost back-to-back. All while Jolie is shooting Malifecent.
Highly unlikely that he'll be doing 7 weeks of reshoots on WWZ..

By: kitcon

kitcon — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

Pitt said during the Killing Them Softly Cannes press that they were attempting something similar with WWZ. Perhaps they're retooling it to make whatever message they're hoping to convey clearer?

By: JD

JD — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

Why do people keep hiring Marc Forster? He's made one inert dud after another (Stay, Stranger Than Fiction, Quantum of Solace). Even his watchable movies (Monster's Ball, Finding Neverland, The Kite Runner) are unusually dull and conventional. It seems like he gets opportunities simply because he has a history of picking good scripts, in spite of the fact that he's never delivered on the potential of those scripts.

By: KT

KT — Fri, 13 May 2016 12:22:10 +0000

"Why Are So Many Tentpoles Being Delayed & Reworked?" Because Hollywood typically doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.