Comments on: ‘Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice’ And The Battle Between Critics And Fans https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/ Wed, 31 Aug 2016 02:54:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Emperor Zerg Rush https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63472 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:38 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63472 "But a critic panning a movie isn’t setting out to stop you from seeing it, or to ensure its financial failure, they’re sharing their own subjective opinion." – Except, with this film, it\’s the people constantly reminding us all that a majority of those critics didn\’t like this film almost as if they genuinely believe that such a reminder is going to influence the decision to see it or not. Most critics didn\’t like it, it\’s safe to say that we ALL get that message at this point. It doesn\’t need to be trotted out and flogged in a public square on an hourly basis.

]]> By: jesse wylie https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63471 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:38 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63471 there\’s nothing new about a divergence between "critical" and "popular" opinion regarding any art form. generally speaking, whether painting, photography, music, etc., the opinions of those who have seen, studied, and written about the "art"/entertainment a lot likely will have a different "taste" than those who view simply for entertainment. the best films,i think, are those that bridge the divide: films that are artistic and yet appeal to broad audiences. if this film errs on the side of "schlock" (i haven\’t seen it), that may be because the creators weren\’t interested at all in creating a "superior" product but instead were interested purely in entertainment, and future tie-ins: ie, making money. as long as there are enough other films with a different goal, i don\’t mind that–i just won\’t watch, except for the fairly rare "star wars" exception.

]]> By: TC Kirkham https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63470 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:38 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63470 Dude, I rarely see eye to eye with you, but this time you hit the nail on the head – it\’s refreshing to see a journalist who isn\’t bashing the fans for being bashed, but taking time to explain why the differences between critics and fans exist; I said much the same thing in my own column on my site on Monday, but you have gone into even more detail. Well bowled, my friend…nice job…

]]> By: Reality Hurts https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63465 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63465 Critics hate going to comic movies, except for the really good ones.

]]> By: Dheep' https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-149471 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-149471 "To begin with, critics didn’t have any impact on the opening weekend of ‘Batman v Superman.’ Nor did they expect to, or even want to."
That is such complete & utter BS. Of course they tried (The "Critical Community") – & found out just how little they matter. Whatever the collective Ax to grind was, they ground it. To no effect. I had no interest seeing the movie, but almost went just as a reaction to the Savage PRE – tanking attempt. Very gratifying to see there was no influnece on the general populace.

]]> By: John biltmore https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63469 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63469 Critics MOST CERTAINLY are attempting to get people to stop from going. As a matter of fact there are a MULTITUDE OF them, who have specifically said "don\’t go watch this" there was even one who said he wished ALL COMIC movies ended. Critics might not be paid, but they sure HATE going to comic movies, and any thing they can do to make that happen..

]]> By: theschu https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63468 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63468 I\’ve loved and appreciated the art of film criticism since the days when my dad and I watched Siskel and Ebert together and I learned to think about movies more critically. From watching them and also reading the reviews of Richard\’s Schickel and Corliss, A.O. Scott, Owen Gleiberman, Lisa Schwartzbaum, Elvis Mitchell, Wesley Morris, Vincent Canby, Pauline Kael, etc I learned how to articulate my feelings about the movies I saw. I was able to discover movies I might not have known about.

I think a lot of people who complain about "the critics" honestly don\’t know the difference between the professional critics like those mentioned above and some dude who writes for a blog or movie website like joblo. No offense to those guys. They\’re fine. But you can tell the difference between them and Roger or Pauline when you read their reviews.

]]> By: The Critic https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63467 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63467 Anyone who thinks that criticism of any kind should be "objective" knows absolutely nothing about the history or the importance of criticism.

]]> By: Facundo https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63466 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63466 It is a fantastic film!

]]> By: Jamie Jones https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63457 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63457 I sincerely agree with John Biltmore, they do not want us to watch it, they want us to hate it and to share their opinion. What sort of a job is a critic anyway? I am told time and time again they have no impact on the box office, so if a critic holds legitimately no repurcussions for the movie when slating it, what harm are they? Why does anyone care? They care because they clearly do habour an impact on movies and moviegoers. Fans like myself have to now argue a case when we recommend this movie, as people will reply "I\’ve heard its bad from reviewers" and we have to argue a case against a "professional". Personally, I state that it\’s a great movie, its different to Marvel and critics have had it ought for the director since his work on Sucker Punch. DC has become a "fun thing to hate" much like Justin Bieber.

People like to hate things.

If this movie was truly bad, it would have disappeared without a hitch, nobody would have cared enough to rant and rave and post article after article explaining why its bad and "top 10 things I hate about BvS" and "top 10 things I wished happened in BvS" and all the nonsense.

I\’m exhausted from defending DC, but I\’ll continue doing it because they deserve it, these movies aren\’t bad, they aren\’t perfect, they are great and can match the best of Marvels. In the end which side you lean on, Marvel or DC, should come down to taste – I hate how DC get critiqued for things Marvel have done without anyone batting an eye.

Nobody cared that Hulk raged out on the Hellicarrier, not only 30 minutes later telling the group he has "control of his abilities" before turning to the Hulk at will and punching an alien in the head… tell me, why did critics not tear that apart? A massive plot hole created just so Loki could escape from the Avengers, one I and many fans overlooked but refuse to do the same for any flaw in BvS.

Bullshit.

]]> By: cirkusfolk https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63464 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63464 Predator was critically panned when it first came out?

]]> By: Craig Jamison https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63463 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63463 I too agree that your article is very well written. Extremely well thought out, articulate; and taking the time to dissect a complex situation. I think an important thing to remember however is that nowadays (unfortunately) far too many critical reviews ARE NOT. Hastily slapped-dashed together the end result often seems to be a combination of emotionalism (which isn\’t bad in and of itself), a lack of taking the time to digest and reflect (which IS a bad thing when writing), and (perhaps worst of all) a tendency to too often fall prey to the the "art of witty-isms": the desire to be noticed and remembered for turning a pithy phrase which rolls of the tongue rather than actually discuss the film at hand. For example, every time a new vampire film opens you just KNOW half of the reviews will feature the line "This film sucks", "Has Teeth", "Sinks it\’s fangs into you", "Is anemic", etc. The writer tends to arrogantly (and at times condescendingly) get in the way of the subject at hand. I believe it\’s this (accurately or inaccurately) perceived sense of condescension which many (not just fans, but) film goers in general find offensive. The average audience member usually won\’t mind if you disagree. But it\’s in HOW one disagrees, or in HOW one expresses their displeasure with a film. Just there are fans who are a bit too proprietary, and full of themselves, so too are there far too many critics who believe their learned view (and too often many of them get their facts incorrect as well – sometimes one needs to refer to more than the press release and Wikipedia) is the only legitimate view. And then, as in the case of BATMAN v SUPERMAN, when the box office defies their opinion / prediction, for the next three days we read what (if from politicians) could be considered "backtracking", or at least the attempt to "save face" with comments such as, "Well, we\’ll see how it fares next week. Then, if it\’s successful that next week also, we next hear, "It had no substantial competition; wait until the next week", and so forth. If more reviews were as well thought out and written as your\’s, and those of people like Leonard Maltin, Elvis Mitchell, the late Pauline Kael (whom I often disagreed with, but respected), Roger Ebert and more, there would be no "Critics v. Filmgoers" WWF SuperSlam. Anyway, just this one guy\’s opinion. 🙂

]]> By: loudrockmusic https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63462 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63462 ^^ insert Comic Book Guy .gif

]]> By: jinamo https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63461 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63461 Critics vs Fans : Dawn of BO record

]]> By: Dheep\' https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63460 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63460 "To begin with, critics didn’t have any impact on the opening weekend of \’Batman v Superman.\’ Nor did they expect to, or even want to."
That is such complete & utter BS. Of course they tried (The "Critical Community") – & found out just how little they matter. Whatever the collective Ax to grind was, they ground it. To no effect. I had no interest seeing the movie, but almost went just as a reaction to the Savage PRE – tanking attempt. Very gratifying to see there was no influnece on the general populace.

]]> By: Keith https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63459 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63459 Wow this is actually one of my favourite reviews I\’ve seen and I totally agree with you that a critis role can and should be important. However, I do feel some critics especially the critics at rotten tomatoes do owe the likes of yourselvs an apology for tarnishing the reputation of critics! I\’d urge you to go back and look at some of the earliest reviews of this film, the majority of them where so over the top and laden with frankly pathetic critiques, couples with blatant bias! Some provoking headlines and snippets – marvel have nothing to worry about! We\’ll have to wait till May to see how a superhero films should be made when civil war is released! A conic book film should be fun, this is a lifeless adaptation with no point or message etc etc! Snyder can\’t do this can\’t do that, you get nothing from watching this etc etc this list goes on a gets more minial and ridiculous. As you can see there whether intentional or not they heavily promoted marvel, and committed the cardinal sin of telling us the viewer what we should or should not like! There was very little critical input or insight into the film just a tone over hyperbolic criticism designed to stop the people watching it.

I watched this film and loved yet I understand that there where flaws and I genuinely feel I could suggest ways to improve it especially the ending. I\’ll happily accept that some will hate this, film, the characterisations, the style it was shot, the genre etc etc. But it\’s not a critics place to blatantly tell me what I should or shouldn\’t watch!

In the immortal words Of Batfleck we as viewers don\’t want to go war with Critics, they bought the god damn war to us! Lmao

]]> By: Kris Knight https://staging2.theplaylist.net/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-20160329/#comment-63458 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.indiewire.com/2016/more/uncategorized/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-and-the-battle-between-critics-and-fans-102755/#comment-63458 No other movie in recent memory has had this amount of animosity and vengeful wrath from critics. No reason was given to the trashing other than describing it as a "mess". Other movies have also been labelled the same, but given much fairer reviews.

I doesn\’t matter how much you try to rationalize the critics\’ point-of-view, it\’s more than evident now. They were going to stomp on this movie, even if it was The Dark Knight reincarnated. Humans act through mob mentality. For some reason, something triggered an initial hatred for this project. Could it be the cheesy title? Ben Affleck? DC trying hard to be different than the generic and formulaic pattern of Disney? Who knows… So one after the other, they picked a stone from the ground, and lashed out.

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