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		By: gabetoro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gabetoro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Astute analysis, anonymous.]]></description>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gabe Toro, stick to whatever it is you know cause it&#039;s not the movie business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe Toro, stick to whatever it is you know cause it&#8217;s not the movie business.</p>
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		By: gabetoro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gabetoro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jesus, I never said the movie would not turn a profit.  Why do I bother?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, I never said the movie would not turn a profit.  Why do I bother?</p>
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		By: A Baby Named Jesus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Baby Named Jesus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also their budgets were about the same...]]></description>
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		By: A Baby Named Jesus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Baby Named Jesus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry guys, I have to agree with Tired of your simple... (although not his attitude).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Monsters vs. Aliens&lt;/I&gt; is looking like it will do similar numbers as &lt;I&gt;Kung Fu Panda&lt;/I&gt;. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Monsters vs. Aliens&lt;/I&gt; did &lt;B&gt;59.32 MIL.&lt;/B&gt; in its opening weekend, falling &lt;B&gt;43.5%&lt;/B&gt; to &lt;B&gt;$33.51 MIL&lt;/B&gt; in its second weekend.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Kung Fu Panda&lt;/I&gt; did slightly better, doing &lt;B&gt;$60.24 MIL&lt;/B&gt; in its opening weekend, but it fell by a slightly larger &lt;B&gt;44.2%&lt;/B&gt; to do &lt;B&gt;$33.61 MIL&lt;/B&gt; in its second weekend. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Monsters vs. Aliens&lt;/I&gt; is already at &lt;B&gt;$105+ million&lt;/B&gt; right now, and Kung Fu Panda finished its North American run at &lt;B&gt;$215 million.&lt;/B&gt; It&#039;s worldwide totals equalled an astounding &lt;B&gt;$416 million,&lt;/B&gt; for a total box office run of &lt;B&gt;$631,908,951.00.&lt;/B&gt; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If &lt;I&gt;Monsters vs. Aliens&lt;/I&gt; does numbers comparable with that abroad, there&#039;s no way they&#039;ll lose money on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry guys, I have to agree with Tired of your simple&#8230; (although not his attitude).</p>
<p><i>Monsters vs. Aliens</i> is looking like it will do similar numbers as <i>Kung Fu Panda</i>. </p>
<p><i>Monsters vs. Aliens</i> did <b>59.32 MIL.</b> in its opening weekend, falling <b>43.5%</b> to <b>$33.51 MIL</b> in its second weekend.</p>
<p><i>Kung Fu Panda</i> did slightly better, doing <b>$60.24 MIL</b> in its opening weekend, but it fell by a slightly larger <b>44.2%</b> to do <b>$33.61 MIL</b> in its second weekend. </p>
<p><i>Monsters vs. Aliens</i> is already at <b>$105+ million</b> right now, and Kung Fu Panda finished its North American run at <b>$215 million.</b> It&#8217;s worldwide totals equalled an astounding <b>$416 million,</b> for a total box office run of <b>$631,908,951.00.</b> </p>
<p>If <i>Monsters vs. Aliens</i> does numbers comparable with that abroad, there&#8217;s no way they&#8217;ll lose money on this.</p>
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		By: gabetoro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gabetoro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, aggressive fellow.  I would hope you&#039;d take your aggression out on a more worthy target, like perhaps your pregnant girlfriend&#039;s belly, but you seem to have a personal stake in the numbers.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;m glad you took time to teach me about the similarities between the film industry and economics.  Because Hollywood is a funny place- financially scoring isn&#039;t nearly as important as perception.  MvA is kind of a big deal to Dreamworks- they&#039;ve been discussing it for years now, and even sunk extra money into the project to convert more than a few theaters to digital 3D for the occasion, a process I&#039;ve been told is about $15 million.  So that&#039;s $15 on top of, I will wager, $180 budget and $100 ad.  In America, the studios take 55% of the average gross (and this is Paramount and Dreamworks- I&#039;d like for someone to confirm how/if that gets split now that Dreamworks has left).  So let&#039;s say the film does have its legs taken out from underneath by Hannah Montana (possibly) and/or Dragonball (not too likely) and it finishes out at $180 million.  Theatrically, that covers a shade under $100 million of these expenses, leaving international to pick up the pace and turn it into a solid profit before DVD&#039;s.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And no doubt it will.  In the end, internationally, Monsters Vs. Aliens will be a hit.  And as you said, a Christmas DVD release will be mega profitable.  But that requires a wait, and studios don&#039;t like to wait.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The reason studios have celebrated the media&#039;s exultation of big opening numbers is because the longer a film plays the larger a profit share the theaters receive.  Studios like to score big right off the bat- the ideal studio film makes $200 million in its first four weeks and $10 million after that.  Much of that has to do with perception- a film that does solid business over a few weeks is not as exciting as a film that does boffo biz in its first two weeks, even if the same amount of money is generated.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Adding to this the fact that the film is not performing up to Kung-Fu Panda&#039;s level domestically, and there&#039;s the notion that, while no doubt the kind of success that keeps bank accounts padded, it&#039;s not the kind of success they were hoping for years ago when they greenlit this and put it at a release date against &quot;Avatar.&quot;  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perception means a lot to people than one might think.  This four year gap between cash cow Spider-Man movies- is it because they didn&#039;t turn a massive profit with &quot;Spider-Man 3?&quot;  Or, more likely, did they get a black eye when it turned out to be the lowest grossing of the series (second best if you count international)?  It&#039;s not about profit, its about success vs. perception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, aggressive fellow.  I would hope you&#8217;d take your aggression out on a more worthy target, like perhaps your pregnant girlfriend&#8217;s belly, but you seem to have a personal stake in the numbers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you took time to teach me about the similarities between the film industry and economics.  Because Hollywood is a funny place- financially scoring isn&#8217;t nearly as important as perception.  MvA is kind of a big deal to Dreamworks- they&#8217;ve been discussing it for years now, and even sunk extra money into the project to convert more than a few theaters to digital 3D for the occasion, a process I&#8217;ve been told is about $15 million.  So that&#8217;s $15 on top of, I will wager, $180 budget and $100 ad.  In America, the studios take 55% of the average gross (and this is Paramount and Dreamworks- I&#8217;d like for someone to confirm how/if that gets split now that Dreamworks has left).  So let&#8217;s say the film does have its legs taken out from underneath by Hannah Montana (possibly) and/or Dragonball (not too likely) and it finishes out at $180 million.  Theatrically, that covers a shade under $100 million of these expenses, leaving international to pick up the pace and turn it into a solid profit before DVD&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And no doubt it will.  In the end, internationally, Monsters Vs. Aliens will be a hit.  And as you said, a Christmas DVD release will be mega profitable.  But that requires a wait, and studios don&#8217;t like to wait.</p>
<p>The reason studios have celebrated the media&#8217;s exultation of big opening numbers is because the longer a film plays the larger a profit share the theaters receive.  Studios like to score big right off the bat- the ideal studio film makes $200 million in its first four weeks and $10 million after that.  Much of that has to do with perception- a film that does solid business over a few weeks is not as exciting as a film that does boffo biz in its first two weeks, even if the same amount of money is generated.</p>
<p>Adding to this the fact that the film is not performing up to Kung-Fu Panda&#8217;s level domestically, and there&#8217;s the notion that, while no doubt the kind of success that keeps bank accounts padded, it&#8217;s not the kind of success they were hoping for years ago when they greenlit this and put it at a release date against &#8220;Avatar.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Perception means a lot to people than one might think.  This four year gap between cash cow Spider-Man movies- is it because they didn&#8217;t turn a massive profit with &#8220;Spider-Man 3?&#8221;  Or, more likely, did they get a black eye when it turned out to be the lowest grossing of the series (second best if you count international)?  It&#8217;s not about profit, its about success vs. perception.</p>
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		By: Still tired of your simple anaylsis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still tired of your simple anaylsis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here we go again with the &quot;production budgets&quot; people. YAWN! This is reminding me a lot of Benjamin Buttons. Are you people still trying to convince everyone that film was a flop? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The film will do about $500 to $600 million at the box office, then it&#039;ll do another $300 to $500 million on DVD. It&#039;s numbers are in line with Kung Fu Panda which did just that. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You don&#039;t seem to understand that animated films are different than other live-action films. They have a longer life at theaters, they do EXTREMELY WELL abroad and this film specifically will have a long life given it&#039;s playing at 3D theaters throughout most of the spring/summer. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Then animated DVDs sell EXTREMELY WELL. Especially this one which will be out just in time for Christmas. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Kung Fu Panda&quot; did just over $200 million stateside, and then did $400 million internationally. MvsA is already at $100+ million stateside (in ten days, with March Break and Easter still to go) and has done $12 million in Russia ALONE IN ONE WEEK (it opens this weekend everywhere else). So it&#039;s a pretty safe bet that the film will also do extremely well abroad. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;$500 million is more than reasonable and $600 million most likely. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Then, after DVD sales and rentals, you&#039;ve got television and other merchandising and licencing agreements...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How much will they take in when all is said and done do you think?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This movie is doing exactly what everyone thought it would do. It doesn&#039;t have to &quot;blow the doors&quot; off of anything. How stupid is that?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I guarantee you no one at Dreamworks is upset about how this movie is doing, and no one else is calling this a &quot;disappointment&quot; either. Why? Because people understand that even if it doesn&#039;t make back its money in the theater, which is will in spades, the majority of its money will come from DVD and licencing anyway.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Go and learn the movie buisness before you start making statements about things you obviously don&#039;t understand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again with the &#8220;production budgets&#8221; people. YAWN! This is reminding me a lot of Benjamin Buttons. Are you people still trying to convince everyone that film was a flop? </p>
<p>The film will do about $500 to $600 million at the box office, then it&#8217;ll do another $300 to $500 million on DVD. It&#8217;s numbers are in line with Kung Fu Panda which did just that. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t seem to understand that animated films are different than other live-action films. They have a longer life at theaters, they do EXTREMELY WELL abroad and this film specifically will have a long life given it&#8217;s playing at 3D theaters throughout most of the spring/summer. </p>
<p>Then animated DVDs sell EXTREMELY WELL. Especially this one which will be out just in time for Christmas. </p>
<p>&#8220;Kung Fu Panda&#8221; did just over $200 million stateside, and then did $400 million internationally. MvsA is already at $100+ million stateside (in ten days, with March Break and Easter still to go) and has done $12 million in Russia ALONE IN ONE WEEK (it opens this weekend everywhere else). So it&#8217;s a pretty safe bet that the film will also do extremely well abroad. </p>
<p>$500 million is more than reasonable and $600 million most likely. </p>
<p>Then, after DVD sales and rentals, you&#8217;ve got television and other merchandising and licencing agreements&#8230;</p>
<p>How much will they take in when all is said and done do you think?</p>
<p>This movie is doing exactly what everyone thought it would do. It doesn&#8217;t have to &#8220;blow the doors&#8221; off of anything. How stupid is that?</p>
<p>I guarantee you no one at Dreamworks is upset about how this movie is doing, and no one else is calling this a &#8220;disappointment&#8221; either. Why? Because people understand that even if it doesn&#8217;t make back its money in the theater, which is will in spades, the majority of its money will come from DVD and licencing anyway.  </p>
<p>Go and learn the movie buisness before you start making statements about things you obviously don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		By: gabetoro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gabetoro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the production budget alone is $175, as the studio claims (hm), then the ad budget had to be an additional $100 mil., or at least $80 mil.  The next few weekends will be key, but if MvA doesn&#039;t blow the doors off, I don&#039;t think its at the level of success they intended it to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the production budget alone is $175, as the studio claims (hm), then the ad budget had to be an additional $100 mil., or at least $80 mil.  The next few weekends will be key, but if MvA doesn&#8217;t blow the doors off, I don&#8217;t think its at the level of success they intended it to be.</p>
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		By: Tired of your simple analysis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tired of your simple analysis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$105 million in ten days is hardly a disappointment. Especially since it&#039;s killing abroad and will probably have close to a $200 million worldwide cume by Monday morning.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Stop trying to invent news and just report it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$105 million in ten days is hardly a disappointment. Especially since it&#8217;s killing abroad and will probably have close to a $200 million worldwide cume by Monday morning.  </p>
<p>Stop trying to invent news and just report it.</p>
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